1 00:00:37,810 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:41,780 exploring the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,449 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,030 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,149 --> 00:00:52,040 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:55,159 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,399 --> 00:00:57,540 cryptozoology as well as other 8 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:01,409 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:06,540 night now your electrifying hosts are 10 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:09,720 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:23,070 team sports Wow look at the size of that 12 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:23,520 thing 13 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:30,390 this have you Tim I can't believe my 14 00:01:34,279 --> 00:01:30,630 eyes 15 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:34,289 look at the waistband on him Tim I tell 16 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:36,300 you that's a real cryptid creature from 17 00:01:43,210 --> 00:01:39,690 parts unknown well if you ask me it's 18 00:01:46,339 --> 00:01:43,220 either from hell or from Mount Olympus 19 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:46,349 it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen 20 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:49,140 but you know we get lots and lots of 21 00:01:54,650 --> 00:01:51,690 emails and letters from people all over 22 00:01:58,790 --> 00:01:54,660 the country actually all over the world 23 00:02:01,790 --> 00:01:58,800 I have had encounters with these bizarre 24 00:02:06,169 --> 00:02:01,800 flying humanoids that come in many 25 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:06,179 shapes sizes and forms and we'll be 26 00:02:12,229 --> 00:02:09,660 discussing this very fascinating topic 27 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:12,239 tonight which ties in with the 28 00:02:18,350 --> 00:02:14,640 forthcoming release of a book that Tim 29 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:18,360 and I and Hercules and Jonathan has has 30 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:20,610 worked on and has contributed material 31 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:23,040 to it is weird 32 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:26,480 winged wonders and that should be out 33 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:28,739 available on Amazon that just 34 00:02:35,900 --> 00:02:32,370 momentarily actually our graphics 35 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:35,910 department headed by bill carne is 36 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:38,220 working on it diligently along with Sean 37 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:41,390 Castile and it should be available just 38 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:44,310 momentarily so Tim how you been doing 39 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:51,770 I've been doing great to him and I tell 40 00:02:55,490 --> 00:02:54,930 ya I'm looking forward for this book to 41 00:03:02,290 --> 00:02:55,500 come out 42 00:03:09,380 --> 00:03:05,600 dragons that's right while dragons and 43 00:03:13,180 --> 00:03:09,390 and flying little snakes and other kinds 44 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:13,190 of you know kind of like weird 45 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:17,580 reptilians with wings so so yeah I said 46 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:21,120 I did it I did a chapter on the Jersey 47 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:23,790 Devils as I'm born and raised in New 48 00:03:30,980 --> 00:03:27,060 Jersey and most people think of the 49 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:30,990 Jersey Devil has having been associated 50 00:03:35,690 --> 00:03:33,540 with mrs. Leeds who had 13 children and 51 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:35,700 she cursed the fact that she had 52 00:03:43,820 --> 00:03:39,200 somebody children and was living in a 53 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:43,830 poverty level and the devil was created 54 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:45,690 to Jersey then was created and flew up 55 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:47,070 out the chimney 56 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:48,930 of course that's folk legend and lore 57 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:52,200 and an urban legend but the the 58 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:55,290 sightings of the Jersey Devil continued 59 00:04:02,660 --> 00:03:58,770 to this day in fact I might have had a 60 00:04:06,790 --> 00:04:02,670 signing of the Jersey Devil I was on my 61 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:06,800 way down to the Jersey Shore with our 62 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:08,910 associate Circe who's been on the 63 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:12,930 program and sometimes is on the Hercules 64 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:16,950 show and we saw something just in the in 65 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:19,470 a wooded area that popped up up up over 66 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:22,620 the underbrush of the trees and then 67 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:24,510 darted back in and we just kind of 68 00:04:28,730 --> 00:04:26,070 looked at each other and almost swerved 69 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:28,740 off the road very very peculiar to say 70 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:30,720 the least but then again you know we 71 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:32,160 might have been thinking of the subject 72 00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:35,460 because it is a long the stretch of a 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:38,160 highway that cuts in here the the Pine 74 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:41,330 Barrens where most of the sightings have 75 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:45,750 have have been over the years mmm not 76 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:49,440 any anyway onward and pardon the 77 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:53,910 expression upward tell us about who our 78 00:05:00,200 --> 00:04:57,540 guests are this evening oh yes well as 79 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:00,210 you mentioned now both of our guests 80 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:00,930 tonight are kin 81 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:04,620 interpreters to our winged wonders book 82 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:07,830 and so we have with us tonight jonathan 83 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:10,470 Lipkin now Jonathan was a forensic 84 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:12,990 videographer in 2004 working as an 85 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:14,580 independent day-in-the-life and 86 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:17,520 documentary producer for attorney firms 87 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:20,820 so at some point what could became 88 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:22,710 intrigued with reports coming out of New 89 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:25,289 Guinea about a large winged creature 90 00:05:31,330 --> 00:05:27,449 that looks something out of a 91 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:31,340 prehistoric AIDS and he actually 92 00:05:36,890 --> 00:05:34,110 travelled to New Guinea where he 93 00:05:41,050 --> 00:05:36,900 interviewed native eyewitnesses to this 94 00:05:44,020 --> 00:05:41,060 creature that they called the rope'n as 95 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:44,030 Jonathan has continued his 96 00:05:52,339 --> 00:05:47,120 investigations he has discovered that 97 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:52,349 these Terra Don's are our flying lizards 98 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:54,120 or whatever you'd want to call him have 99 00:06:02,330 --> 00:05:57,360 been seen all over the world and in the 100 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:02,340 United States with Hawaii of all places 101 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:04,110 being on the top of the list for 102 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:06,240 sightings of these these word creatures 103 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:10,080 now Jonathan has written several books 104 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:13,590 modern pterosaurs human encounters with 105 00:06:16,779 --> 00:06:15,479 living pterodactyls and that's in 106 00:06:19,850 --> 00:06:16,789 quotation marks 107 00:06:22,250 --> 00:06:19,860 searching for opens and finding God the 108 00:06:26,659 --> 00:06:22,260 quest for discovery modern pterosaurs 109 00:06:29,149 --> 00:06:26,669 and live pterosaurs in America so also 110 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:29,159 with us tonight is our good friend 111 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:30,270 Hercules 112 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:36,360 promote a lifelong personal development 113 00:06:41,060 --> 00:06:38,280 human empowerment out-of-the-box 114 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:41,070 thinking creative self-expression and a 115 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:43,590 dedication of one's unique talent to 116 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:47,039 community service Hercules believes that 117 00:06:52,339 --> 00:06:49,409 the human spirit is essentially 118 00:06:54,260 --> 00:06:52,349 essentially heroic I always have trouble 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:54,270 with that word Hercules sorry and always 120 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:55,770 seeking ways to express its innate 121 00:07:00,589 --> 00:06:58,380 nobility and greatness and that a life 122 00:07:02,659 --> 00:07:00,599 fully lived dedicated to actualize in 123 00:07:05,810 --> 00:07:02,669 the highest we can conceive is the 124 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:05,820 noblest expression of human existence to 125 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:08,520 live larger than life today now Hercules 126 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:11,550 is also the author of Olympian ice eagle 127 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:13,900 ooh and Hercules realm of el 128 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:17,500 earth and the anti diluvian scrolls Elam 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Hercules realm of the Astro planet ah 130 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:22,810 how about that Tim I could say 131 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:25,220 antediluvian but I can't say here Oryx 132 00:07:30,210 --> 00:07:27,450 [Laughter] 133 00:07:31,710 --> 00:07:30,220 so welcome gentlemen thank you very much 134 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:31,720 for being with us tonight on exploring 135 00:07:37,380 --> 00:07:35,470 the bazaar what I have what I have 136 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:37,390 learned over the years Tim if you can't 137 00:07:43,590 --> 00:07:40,710 pronounce the word pick another one 138 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:43,600 there's there's somebody in the in the 139 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:45,700 English language of course antediluvian 140 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:47,740 or something like that it's kind of hard 141 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:49,210 to come up with another word you know 142 00:07:52,860 --> 00:07:51,730 but that's why I can't like I said he 143 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:52,870 wasn't she 144 00:07:58,860 --> 00:07:56,140 he heroic there I see if I say it slowly 145 00:08:10,530 --> 00:07:58,870 heroic my dad he could never say crap on 146 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:10,540 to them hopefully not many so I Jonathan 147 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:11,650 Hercules thanks for being with us 148 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:12,070 tonight 149 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:15,340 well thank you very much great to be 150 00:08:18,270 --> 00:08:15,670 here 151 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:18,280 well let us start out maybe with the 152 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:21,010 Jonathan I I would I would think give us 153 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:24,250 a little back of your your background I 154 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:27,060 mean attempted to read the the bio but 155 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:30,520 it seems like a weird Swiss switch 156 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:32,860 there's a word for you switch in and 157 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:39,190 life's great undertakings to change your 158 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:42,160 I guess goals in life to find out all 159 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:45,160 about this mysterious the flying the 160 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:47,530 creature that is said to have been 161 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:51,310 extinct for how many years yeah 162 00:08:58,020 --> 00:08:53,350 it was a strange turn that's for sure I 163 00:09:00,960 --> 00:08:58,030 was in 2003 but I first learned about 164 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:00,970 these large flying creatures in Papua 165 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:03,820 New Guinean and I've done with it about 166 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:05,590 one year later it actually made an 167 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:08,260 expedition there myself so it was quite 168 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:10,840 an experience yeah did you go by 169 00:09:14,910 --> 00:09:12,460 yourself or did you have a whole team of 170 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:14,920 explorers with you well of course that 171 00:09:19,770 --> 00:09:16,840 at first I would never think of going by 172 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:19,780 myself and that originally we had the 173 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:22,630 four of us I was hoping that all four of 174 00:09:26,370 --> 00:09:24,820 us could go about the same time and meet 175 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:26,380 up at least if we couldn't go the same 176 00:09:30,449 --> 00:09:27,490 time so there would be 177 00:09:33,769 --> 00:09:30,459 pollination from Texas garth guess man 178 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:33,779 from California and David Wetzel the 179 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:36,970 corporation executive from New Hampshire 180 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:40,630 but it didn't work out Paul couldn't 181 00:09:45,449 --> 00:09:43,510 even go that year in the year 2004 and I 182 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:45,459 ended up going by myself a few weeks 183 00:09:49,530 --> 00:09:47,080 before the other expedition took place 184 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:49,540 well it's not normal we don't do this at 185 00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:51,490 home you do we don't recommend it but I 186 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:53,920 went by myself to Papua New Guinea and I 187 00:09:57,420 --> 00:09:55,600 didn't have a contact person there 188 00:10:01,980 --> 00:09:57,430 waiting for me yeah that's not 189 00:10:03,930 --> 00:10:01,990 recommended but now what what give us a 190 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:03,940 general description of what we're 191 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:06,430 talking about here of the let's just say 192 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:09,100 the flying creature how many years has 193 00:10:19,949 --> 00:10:17,490 traditional concept of it is that the 194 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:19,959 last time the pterosaurs lived on the 195 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:21,730 earth is 65 million years ago my 196 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:23,800 associates and I don't think I think it 197 00:10:27,269 --> 00:10:26,649 was that long ago at all but that's a 198 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:27,279 long story 199 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:30,480 we have been on a number of expeditions 200 00:10:37,949 --> 00:10:34,079 several before I went there in the 1990s 201 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:37,959 and then one around the year 2002 I 202 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:42,250 believe by pollination but basically the 203 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:45,550 the controversy here is my associates 204 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:48,010 and I say that there's we have evidence 205 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:49,810 and the testimony is that these are 206 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:52,240 actual living pterosaurs they're not any 207 00:10:59,490 --> 00:10:54,640 kind of bad or bird and that's the 208 00:11:01,710 --> 00:10:59,500 controversy and how big of a bird for 209 00:11:04,889 --> 00:11:01,720 lack of a better word here at the moment 210 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:04,899 are we are we talking about yeah well 211 00:11:08,610 --> 00:11:07,000 that's you know there may have reports 212 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:08,620 now from all over the world over the 213 00:11:15,180 --> 00:11:11,760 years but if sticks of this particular 214 00:11:18,329 --> 00:11:15,190 place is called on boy island which is 215 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:18,339 north of the mainland of Papua New 216 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:22,120 Guinea which is itself north of 217 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:24,970 Australia and the island has a creature 218 00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:27,700 that they call Ropin and the native 219 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:31,360 language of Health a village language of 220 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:34,180 kovai yeah that's it call it rope and 221 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:36,130 it's the animal that flies around and 222 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:39,250 glows at night and follows 223 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:42,160 yes definitely as low as wow there yeah 224 00:11:48,210 --> 00:11:43,900 at least you can see it coming 225 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:48,220 yeah and it's basically nocturnal the 226 00:11:51,930 --> 00:11:50,290 reports we had at first we assumed that 227 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:51,940 if it was a tariff so it'd be a drug 228 00:11:59,100 --> 00:11:54,880 turn dr. Lloyd the kind of you see on 229 00:12:01,470 --> 00:11:59,110 the Jurassic Park that type of a with a 230 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:01,480 little or no tail we assume that because 231 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:03,790 it's so large in the descriptions they 232 00:12:09,510 --> 00:12:07,120 describe very large creature that and I 233 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:09,520 assumed when I travel to pepper to 234 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:12,010 Guinea and I that took us a small cargo 235 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:15,240 passenger ship from the city of leh to 236 00:12:21,150 --> 00:12:19,600 we assumed with others for a while that 237 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:21,160 it was that kind of animal that there 238 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:22,750 were a number of them on the island well 239 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:24,670 that turned out to be not the case 240 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:26,440 there's only one large one that 241 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:28,690 regularly inhabits this particular 242 00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:31,330 island but that's that's a long story it 243 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:35,790 is large I mean I got to interview one 244 00:12:41,730 --> 00:12:38,920 when I when I witness who described the 245 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:41,740 wingspan this debate about seven meters 246 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:44,650 which is 23 feet that is definitely not 247 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:50,110 a bird it's not a bad not it now you 248 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:53,200 know yeah I always get accused of being 249 00:12:58,170 --> 00:12:55,540 a you know like flying creatures like 250 00:12:59,910 --> 00:12:58,180 Mothman and all their you pullin a the 251 00:13:01,680 --> 00:12:59,920 in areas where they've never said 252 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:01,690 nobody's ever noticed an Al before 253 00:13:09,570 --> 00:13:07,330 always an L yeah sure right okay yes has 254 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:09,580 another long story because we have some 255 00:13:14,220 --> 00:13:11,620 reports on Australia that is possible 256 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:14,230 that some howls actually have a lower 257 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:17,050 degree of bioluminescence that they have 258 00:13:20,390 --> 00:13:18,700 on rare occasions but that's a long 259 00:13:25,530 --> 00:13:20,400 story 260 00:13:30,950 --> 00:13:25,540 well now our people attacked by this 261 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:30,960 creature that live live in this area or 262 00:13:37,410 --> 00:13:34,930 it's a kind of a benign or or how would 263 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:37,420 you describe its actions 264 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:41,850 well we my association I believe that 265 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:45,310 there's there the the particular species 266 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:47,080 that we call Ropin and um where Island 267 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:49,150 actually also exists on the mainland 268 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:51,930 there's someone that also 269 00:13:58,460 --> 00:13:55,410 coastal area but also inland they have 270 00:14:01,250 --> 00:13:58,470 different names I met an old sailor when 271 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:01,260 I was on that boat at night and he said 272 00:14:07,579 --> 00:14:04,470 that that they call it well why not 273 00:14:10,820 --> 00:14:07,589 the dragon who owns this land and the 274 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:10,830 sea wah 1/r and then there's DUIs 275 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:14,730 can can do a psycho Bali the one who 276 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:16,260 carries around his bed with them that's 277 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:18,810 a long story but it's the apparently 278 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:20,910 these are all either is closely related 279 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:24,450 or the same species and they some of 280 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:26,190 them on the mainland of reputation of 281 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:28,560 attacking people close to finchhaven or 282 00:14:32,269 --> 00:14:30,240 village and also village close to the 283 00:14:36,139 --> 00:14:32,279 labor or described as attacking and 284 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:36,149 killing a person now when you when you 285 00:14:39,710 --> 00:14:37,950 first went to this island you know you 286 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:39,720 said you went by yourself and you didn't 287 00:14:45,889 --> 00:14:41,580 have any any guide or anything like that 288 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:45,899 how did you go about trying to locate 289 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:48,120 these eyewitnesses because I mean you 290 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:50,310 know III imagined you just can't go up 291 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:51,690 to anybody on the street and you know 292 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:53,250 like say hey you know can you find 293 00:14:59,510 --> 00:14:56,370 finally somebody who's seen or open yeah 294 00:15:01,160 --> 00:14:59,520 in the city of lamb you know I took a 295 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:01,170 number of flights eventually the last 296 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,250 flight I got was to the airport that's 297 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:06,540 number of kilometers away from the city 298 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:10,290 of Lane I got into the International Lai 299 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:12,120 International Hotel there but basically 300 00:15:17,390 --> 00:15:14,459 I got a I didn't actually go by myself 301 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,400 to this particular island of boy but I 302 00:15:22,820 --> 00:15:19,440 found an interpreter in the city of lay 303 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:22,830 his name is Luc Pina and I paid him a 304 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:24,630 very low wages and he thought it was a 305 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:26,490 lot but it didn't seem like much to me 306 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:29,910 and he agreed to be my interpreter and 307 00:15:34,819 --> 00:15:32,339 then I told him and his brother you know 308 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:34,829 how big we thought it wasn't he didn't 309 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:37,230 think that I was over paying them at 310 00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:40,770 that time but he agreed to go with me 311 00:15:45,319 --> 00:15:42,839 and he was very great value so when we 312 00:15:47,079 --> 00:15:45,329 got there to humbly they were actually 313 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:47,089 expecting us in a particular village 314 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:50,160 close to gumwa gone because pollenation 315 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:51,750 had already sent a letter months earlier 316 00:15:56,810 --> 00:15:54,360 though I was coming and he I had detail 317 00:15:59,810 --> 00:15:56,820 of instructions so I had all that these 318 00:16:01,449 --> 00:15:59,820 very different kind of gifts to give to 319 00:16:04,190 --> 00:16:01,459 the village leaders and different people 320 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:04,200 very detailed instructions and my father 321 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:05,820 almost all of them I not 322 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:08,160 when I find one I did not follow when I 323 00:16:12,950 --> 00:16:09,450 got in trouble look you tell you about 324 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:12,960 that sometime but basically the people 325 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:15,210 expecting us and we knew where to go and 326 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:17,610 who to interview and what should you 327 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:19,860 know basically what people need to get 328 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:25,910 to now the the Islanders I mean do they 329 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:29,730 view this creature as sort of kind of 330 00:16:38,990 --> 00:16:35,070 like both a physical creature and a 331 00:16:41,390 --> 00:16:39,000 supernatural entity or do they consider 332 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:41,400 it you know like you know just just as 333 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:44,070 real as say you know a crocodile or the 334 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,290 fruit bats or things like that well 335 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:48,480 that's a good question because they have 336 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:49,860 a way of looking at it that's different 337 00:16:54,410 --> 00:16:51,480 than what we're used to in our in our 338 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:54,420 culture it's they don't categorize it as 339 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:55,910 strictly one or the other that's 340 00:17:01,820 --> 00:16:58,440 spirituals and then it's also its 341 00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:01,830 physical so and it also has a in their 342 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:03,540 traditions just say that can change 343 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:05,610 shape I think I know why they have that 344 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:07,830 tradition it's a one of their 345 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:10,110 superstitions that a man can change into 346 00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:12,420 a rope and a rope and contained you in a 347 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:15,360 snake bite back and forth and so on 348 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:18,680 and I think I know why they got that but 349 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:21,180 they do a considerate real I mean the 350 00:17:24,290 --> 00:17:22,740 people are seeing these flying lights 351 00:17:25,970 --> 00:17:24,300 all the time it goes from one mountain 352 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:25,980 to another from the Mount of the coast 353 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:32,340 and in my compiling statistics on the 354 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:34,620 sidings I found that there was a 355 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:37,050 tendency for the for these flying lights 356 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:40,290 to go out from a mountain to to a reef 357 00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:43,080 on the coast much more frequently 358 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:45,540 earlier in the in the evening like right 359 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:48,120 after sunset and then later at night 360 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:50,610 there's a more tendency for the lights 361 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:53,790 to fly from the reef back to a mountain 362 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:56,670 so I think that's not very strong 363 00:18:01,100 --> 00:17:58,650 evidence but it is some statistical 364 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:01,110 evidence that there is something to 365 00:18:06,190 --> 00:18:03,210 their traditions that this is a flying 366 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:06,200 creature that has a bioluminescence oh 367 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:10,100 so what is the what's the general 368 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:14,940 description that that you got from from 369 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:17,070 from the witnesses there on what this 370 00:18:24,380 --> 00:18:19,130 thing look like 371 00:18:26,419 --> 00:18:24,390 yes the I I went on I was there for two 372 00:18:28,909 --> 00:18:26,429 weeks and a few weeks after I left came 373 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:28,919 back the United States I sent emails and 374 00:18:33,159 --> 00:18:31,230 all the information I could to the other 375 00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:33,169 two Americans so when they got there 376 00:18:38,149 --> 00:18:36,299 unfortunately they were getting there 377 00:18:41,149 --> 00:18:38,159 just as the bad weather started with 378 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:41,159 them with the rainy season so they have 379 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:44,600 time that they went to a lot of places 380 00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:51,090 on boy places I hadn't been to excuse me 381 00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:53,100 I'm sorry I got so carried away with 382 00:18:59,060 --> 00:18:55,559 that thought that I forgot the question 383 00:19:01,460 --> 00:18:59,070 I said why I asked you what what the 384 00:19:03,649 --> 00:19:01,470 general you know the people who have had 385 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:03,659 say like daylight sightings of this you 386 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:05,070 know what towards the German description 387 00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:06,809 but there's that's what I was doing I 388 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,860 was telling you that there are two 389 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:10,559 expeditions in these in that year and we 390 00:19:17,539 --> 00:19:13,529 came to some different conclusions about 391 00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:17,549 what what exactly we all agreed that it 392 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:19,799 was around for in quite terrorsaur we 393 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:25,590 had a lot of Milan societies but I came 394 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:28,020 back and published a book and eventually 395 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:29,850 a scientific paper is published in 396 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:31,890 peer-reviewed journal and I concluded 397 00:19:36,139 --> 00:19:33,630 that it was more like a sort giant 398 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:36,149 shortest pole OSIS ran freakoid 399 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:42,450 which is also called that has another 400 00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:45,289 name but its base it ran frankly and 401 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:47,640 clearly it was that type which is kind 402 00:19:54,769 --> 00:19:52,980 of a long kind of a narrow beak and one 403 00:19:57,159 --> 00:19:54,779 of the other Americans David Wetzel 404 00:20:02,269 --> 00:19:57,169 thought that it was more like a 405 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:02,279 dimorphodon but actually part of my 406 00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:04,380 information I got from their expedition 407 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:07,590 so I think both of the expedition's has 408 00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:09,870 pointed more tortoise tortoise policies 409 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:13,429 but in a giant-sized of sort of Pelosi's 410 00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:16,320 so now these are okay no now when people 411 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:19,080 think of these these flying reptiles I 412 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:20,490 mean they think of the you know typical 413 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:22,049 pterodactyl you know that's got the beak 414 00:20:31,529 --> 00:20:25,210 and then the long pointed 415 00:20:34,649 --> 00:20:31,539 had big wings with no with with no 416 00:20:37,649 --> 00:20:34,659 feathers abouts membranes or no tail but 417 00:20:40,289 --> 00:20:37,659 what you're describing these are the 418 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:40,299 ones that have the the smooth head and a 419 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:42,760 tail or very long tail and with a 420 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,529 structure at the end of the tail a 421 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:47,440 flange something that some people call 422 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:50,710 it a diamond shape have different names 423 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:52,210 for some but you can call the lemon 424 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:53,950 shape in the United States once in 425 00:21:01,820 --> 00:20:57,850 Indiana but and yeah a number Island I 426 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:01,830 was able to get into the deep end to the 427 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:04,510 to the interior that aisle with the 428 00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:10,360 number of natives and I don't I mean I 429 00:21:15,269 --> 00:21:12,580 did I I was able to interview three 430 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:15,279 important natives in Long Island they 431 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:18,220 were all part of a group of seven boys 432 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:20,169 at the time ten years earlier who had 433 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:25,720 gone up to Lake home which is a crater 434 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:29,130 lake up above their village and they had 435 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:32,590 witness in Brooklyn daylight this rope 436 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:34,450 and flying right over the lake just two 437 00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:36,460 meters above the lake and they were so 438 00:21:43,769 --> 00:21:38,860 scared they just ran home and they 439 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:43,779 testified that had long tail and tail 440 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:45,850 had a diamond kind of shape at the end 441 00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:48,490 of it which I think was around Frank 442 00:21:54,419 --> 00:21:50,440 white flange that's my conclusion is 443 00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:54,429 what they're describing and they the 444 00:21:59,940 --> 00:21:58,000 eyewitness gideon quarrel he told me 445 00:22:01,710 --> 00:21:59,950 that he whoa when I asked him the wings 446 00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,720 how big the wings were I think he 447 00:22:07,769 --> 00:22:04,480 misunderstood and that he was thinking 448 00:22:09,779 --> 00:22:07,779 of one wing but it was them because they 449 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:09,789 don't use s to make a pearl in English 450 00:22:13,889 --> 00:22:11,230 they're not doing that great in English 451 00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:13,899 but he was speaking English but you know 452 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:15,640 they're not expert in English way back 453 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:18,970 in order to promote place sure so he say 454 00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:21,730 said seven mean oh well I think what he 455 00:22:27,659 --> 00:22:25,000 meant was a wingspan nothing we spent 456 00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:27,669 one wing because I was saying wings you 457 00:22:31,529 --> 00:22:29,320 know and it sounds like a wing you know 458 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:31,539 it's almost the same sentence and they 459 00:22:34,110 --> 00:22:33,010 said one wing I think where I was 460 00:22:36,029 --> 00:22:34,120 thinking there but he didn't immediately 461 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:36,039 answer he looked out of the ground to go 462 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:38,230 back and forth from the ground trying to 463 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:38,890 imagine 464 00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:41,230 sighs and then he said to look back and 465 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:44,380 look me in the eye I said seven yeah Wow 466 00:22:49,530 --> 00:22:47,110 all right well we need to take our 467 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:49,540 bottom of the hour break here so when we 468 00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:50,890 come back we'll continue our 469 00:23:00,030 --> 00:22:54,070 conversation about wind weirdies on 470 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:00,040 exploring the bazaar now back to 471 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:03,460 exploring the bazaar with two of the 472 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:05,530 most electrifying researchers in the 473 00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:08,890 Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca Lee 474 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:14,920 and Taylor Swift's and welcome back to 475 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:17,050 exploring the bazaar and I want to 476 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:20,170 remind the audience that if you have any 477 00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:23,110 questions for our guests if you've had a 478 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:26,620 sighting winged weirdo then let us know 479 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:28,690 we want to hear from you ask ask away 480 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:30,940 questions comments we want to hear from 481 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:33,430 you so Tim what do we say we we bring 482 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:36,040 Hercules into the conversation I would 483 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:37,930 think so come on down from Mount Olympus 484 00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:42,190 Hercules enjoying join the show I am 485 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:45,300 very honored to be here with a heroic 486 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:50,020 timotheus and their show and I love your 487 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:53,140 new intro by the way this awesome no how 488 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:55,570 do we we do we do our best you know I 489 00:24:00,240 --> 00:23:58,530 mean we we try to just give it a 490 00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:00,250 theatrical approach and then we get 491 00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,980 serious all of a sudden you know it's it 492 00:24:08,790 --> 00:24:05,440 twists some people's minds but what the 493 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:08,800 heck we we are exploring the bizarre and 494 00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:11,110 there are a lot of bizarre things in the 495 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:14,820 world right then oh yeah definitely and 496 00:24:23,010 --> 00:24:17,530 and you're listening to us talk right 497 00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:23,020 now I did I just want to say though that 498 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:26,790 our intro was was put together by our 499 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:31,180 producer and station owner Tina Marie 500 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:33,970 who always does such a fantastic job and 501 00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:36,820 has so much patience with us when we 502 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,300 just do okay wait to the last minute of 503 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:46,140 course our associate that Peter will 504 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:50,470 make a little video out of it and put it 505 00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:52,870 on our YouTube channel mr. UFOs 506 00:24:59,400 --> 00:24:56,260 secret files so you can all look forward 507 00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:59,410 to that you got to listen to these to 508 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:01,600 get everything here you've got to listen 509 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,330 to these programs at least twice if not 510 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:07,440 worse if not if not more than that but 511 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:11,110 Hercules tell us something about well we 512 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:13,570 have you we have I believe in the in the 513 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:17,740 Greek Theatre many legends of flying 514 00:25:22,530 --> 00:25:21,760 beings Oh countless legends of flying 515 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:22,540 beans 516 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:24,610 not too many wings they're reptiles 517 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:30,340 though in Greek tradition giants are 518 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:35,260 were killed in and fly and Dragons which 519 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:38,290 comes from the Greek words are ACOs just 520 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:43,240 means a large snake so the heroes in 521 00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:45,250 antiquity they fought this these really 522 00:25:49,650 --> 00:25:47,920 giant snakes that usually guarded trees 523 00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:49,660 that had things like the Golden Fleece 524 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:52,300 or the golden apples and asperities and 525 00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:55,330 things like that hanging on them so they 526 00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,030 were Guardian protectors and they didn't 527 00:26:01,980 --> 00:26:00,400 have wings well you know that's 528 00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:01,990 interesting that you should mention that 529 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:05,380 because we have any number of reports in 530 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,070 fact in our forthcoming book that like I 531 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:11,440 said probably out my time this program 532 00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:16,679 gets on YouTube a lot of these the 533 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:19,620 crypto flying it creatures are 534 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:23,800 snake-like in fact we have do we have 535 00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:26,970 received reports of the snake like it 536 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:29,920 creatures turning into glowing a 537 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:33,340 luminous objects you know like it 538 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,540 turning into it - UFOs basically I mean 539 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:39,760 there does seem to be a connection 540 00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:43,540 between all of this I mean we have the 541 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:46,840 real entities and then we have some that 542 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,450 are definitely the supernatural in 543 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:52,620 nature so I don't think it's quite 544 00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:56,080 impossible to have to concede that maybe 545 00:27:01,290 --> 00:26:59,350 some of these locals and in New Guinea 546 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:01,300 and so forth really did have the right 547 00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:03,190 idea when they see it as both a physical 548 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:06,509 and a spiritual manifestation 549 00:27:11,089 --> 00:27:09,329 I I think you're right and in Greece 550 00:27:13,609 --> 00:27:11,099 they view it pretty much the same way 551 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:13,619 they still believed like I'm from the 552 00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,070 island of Lemnos and they still believed 553 00:27:22,819 --> 00:27:20,399 there that there are giant snakes and 554 00:27:25,129 --> 00:27:22,829 when I was growing up and spending a lot 555 00:27:28,609 --> 00:27:25,139 of time in Lemnos they still call these 556 00:27:30,949 --> 00:27:28,619 snakes or yes and they used to describe 557 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:30,959 them as gigantic being able to swallow 558 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:34,289 goats and lambs and cows and you're 559 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:38,369 they're huge things and they still are 560 00:27:43,939 --> 00:27:40,769 said to guard treasure there's a lot of 561 00:27:47,569 --> 00:27:43,949 caves on the most especially by the 562 00:27:49,879 --> 00:27:47,579 shore and some of those caves supposedly 563 00:27:53,689 --> 00:27:49,889 have the treasures of antiquity in them 564 00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:53,699 and they're guarded by the rocky but the 565 00:27:59,689 --> 00:27:57,179 Greeks today lump everything under the 566 00:28:04,279 --> 00:27:59,699 heading of Ithaca which means exotics 567 00:28:07,099 --> 00:28:04,289 and the exotics are shapeshifters so 568 00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:07,109 they can appear as whatever they need to 569 00:28:15,589 --> 00:28:12,419 appear to be so it is very possible and 570 00:28:17,959 --> 00:28:15,599 they certainly would leave that open to 571 00:28:20,869 --> 00:28:17,969 interpretation that these giant serpents 572 00:28:23,719 --> 00:28:20,879 can also manifest as glowing disks or 573 00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:23,729 going balls and Greek mythology is full 574 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:26,940 of such accounts of Sun chariots and 575 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:30,419 Moon chariots and glowing gods who 576 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:34,049 appear as a circles or goblets so it 577 00:28:40,099 --> 00:28:35,569 makes sense to me 578 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:40,109 well now in this the book the weird 579 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:46,049 winged wonders the year the crypto we 580 00:28:52,579 --> 00:28:48,289 have so many descriptions of different 581 00:28:54,589 --> 00:28:52,589 types of flying beings I mean some more 582 00:28:58,099 --> 00:28:54,599 literally beings we have photographs in 583 00:29:01,459 --> 00:28:58,109 there of people people I say shadowy 584 00:29:05,539 --> 00:29:01,469 forms standing on clouds hovering over 585 00:29:07,009 --> 00:29:05,549 mountains the the hovering near office 586 00:29:10,069 --> 00:29:07,019 buildings that have to be like you know 587 00:29:15,619 --> 00:29:10,079 30 stories at all why don't you tell us 588 00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:15,629 about some of the the Olympian gods or 589 00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:18,929 heroes you know name them and what 590 00:29:24,290 --> 00:29:20,280 exactly they're 591 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:24,300 flying near talons consisted up okay I 592 00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:28,250 could do that like I said all of these 593 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:30,870 paranormal or in-between creatures are 594 00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:33,270 generally called silica or exotics and 595 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:35,820 the ones that are in the air are called 596 00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,270 AI Atika which means of the air and 597 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:41,640 these are very comparable to the silks 598 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,450 of Paracelsus when he explained the 599 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:48,240 elemental kingdoms and that became very 600 00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:50,310 much integrated into the Western mystery 601 00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:53,700 tradition so some of these beings were 602 00:30:00,290 --> 00:29:56,670 again shapeshifters appear very human 603 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:00,300 and they're very much interested in 604 00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:03,690 humanity anyone who's seen Conan the 605 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:06,030 Barbarian in the movie has heard sue 606 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:08,910 bowtie talking about the four winds and 607 00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,640 the everlasting sky those concepts are 608 00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:14,100 still very much alive in the Greek 609 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:17,040 tradition and some occultist such as 610 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:19,050 madame blavatsky who brought us at the 611 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,410 oesophagus society she hypothesized that 612 00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:24,960 the Olympians themselves were a type of 613 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:28,380 aerial being or a type of silk one that 614 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:30,900 was very evolved and sort of like would 615 00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:34,370 you call a diva in the Hindu tradition 616 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:39,420 and there were many types of creatures 617 00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:43,470 who lived in the sky that were evolved 618 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:47,040 and had civilizations so in addition to 619 00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:50,850 the enemy or the wings you had breathe 620 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:54,150 nymphs and breathe nodes loved humans 621 00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:57,690 and they caressed humanity and whispered 622 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:00,300 in their ears and they were very much a 623 00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:02,550 part of our lives even though they're 624 00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:04,830 invisible and then you had the cloud 625 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,950 beings cloud beings you know people come 626 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:09,600 from the skies to the clouds and you see 627 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,050 all sorts of shapes to the ancients and 628 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,640 those following the ancient Greek 629 00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:16,730 tradition there were actual 630 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,760 intelligences in the clouds that molded 631 00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,440 the clouds into these different shapes 632 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:24,720 and that these beings liked appearing as 633 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:31,740 humans and they actually had births with 634 00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:32,970 by me 635 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:36,200 with mortals and one of the most famous 636 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:41,010 couple of beings that gave rise to 637 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:44,490 legends are fruit sauce and Ella who 638 00:31:50,649 --> 00:31:47,880 were taken by the golden Ram to the 639 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:50,659 cloaca days which is now Georgia and 640 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,270 when the golden Ram landed there they 641 00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:56,220 sacrificed and put his Pelt and tree 642 00:32:03,260 --> 00:31:59,010 became the Golden Fleece so they were 643 00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,270 half human and half cloud being hmm and 644 00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,760 the cloud beings also liked appearing as 645 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:08,039 wing centaurs for some reason I haven't 646 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:09,809 been able to track down why they would 647 00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:12,090 find that shape appealing but there are 648 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:12,900 many accounts 649 00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:15,570 some of them rather recent in which 650 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:17,700 cloud beings assume that shape and 651 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:23,490 interact with mortals and take taking 652 00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,169 the in-between aerial exotic paradigm a 653 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:30,419 little bit further during the 654 00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,730 Hellenistic age which was the time 655 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,039 between Alexander the Great and 656 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:37,200 Cleopatra and then a little bit further 657 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:41,750 into Rome where a lot of modern 658 00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:45,390 occultism kind of bubbled forth and gave 659 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,880 birth to things like Hermeticism and 660 00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:50,480 christianity there was a lot of 661 00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:54,120 discussion about these themes Wildeve 662 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,460 Manas and I know that sounds like the 663 00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,080 word demon but it doesn't mean that 664 00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:01,200 means an in-between creature so an angel 665 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:03,900 can be a vain one your higher self can 666 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:07,260 be a daemon and these beings were also 667 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:09,330 very aerial and they could just switch 668 00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:12,090 shapes and whether they were good or bad 669 00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:14,789 Candida under individual actions rather 670 00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:17,520 than a particular state and these are 671 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:20,539 they - are often depicted with wings and 672 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,750 if these wings are back light then they 673 00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:27,720 assume that the daemon was a kako demon 674 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:31,140 or bad daemon and if they had colored 675 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,809 bird wings they were good and that's 676 00:33:40,010 --> 00:33:35,700 where we get our image of the angel 677 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:40,020 because angel means messenger so if 678 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:41,850 somebody is taking a message from one 679 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:43,860 building to another in Manhattan there 680 00:33:48,479 --> 00:33:46,330 an angel by definition 681 00:33:52,529 --> 00:33:48,489 and in the Bible that's called Mallik 682 00:33:54,749 --> 00:33:52,539 and so it's just basically a job 683 00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:54,759 description but because of the demons 684 00:33:59,609 --> 00:33:57,940 that were good were depicted as 685 00:34:02,639 --> 00:33:59,619 creatures with wings it eventually 686 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:02,649 became what we understand angels to be 687 00:34:08,819 --> 00:34:06,369 today yeah I don't think I don't think 688 00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:08,829 in the Bible they were ever described as 689 00:34:14,279 --> 00:34:11,529 having wings no no they were they were 690 00:34:15,869 --> 00:34:14,289 people they look like people and often 691 00:34:17,819 --> 00:34:15,879 people didn't realize until later that 692 00:34:19,319 --> 00:34:17,829 they were talking to something that that 693 00:34:25,319 --> 00:34:19,329 might have looked you in and behaved 694 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,329 human but wasn't quite human and I'm 695 00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:27,520 sorry sorry Hercules no no no finish 696 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:31,960 your thought there a lot of what we 697 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:36,129 think about now came into focus at that 698 00:34:40,529 --> 00:34:38,230 time because Alexander even those 699 00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:40,539 conquests was bloody and closed much 700 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:43,720 grief also created a period of stability 701 00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:47,049 and peace when people from different 702 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:48,579 places could interact with each other 703 00:34:53,609 --> 00:34:51,730 and exchange ideas and that hadn't 704 00:34:56,309 --> 00:34:53,619 happened in the world since when the 705 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:56,319 Phoenicians were power so a lot of stuff 706 00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,450 that the Phoenicians spurred initially 707 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:01,599 went underground and then it came back 708 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:03,609 out during the age of Alexander and 709 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:06,130 people got to compare notes and they saw 710 00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,650 that their hidden traditions were very 711 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:11,200 similar to each other so they 712 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,240 hypothesized that there was an ancient 713 00:35:20,059 --> 00:35:16,960 wisdom or mystery religion that was 714 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:20,069 below the surface of the exoteric or the 715 00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:24,250 the cultural or tribal religions and a 716 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:25,869 lot of the information that they shared 717 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:27,970 gave us a wealth of information 718 00:35:34,589 --> 00:35:31,930 including on these winged beings 719 00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:34,599 now you mentioned Circe before Timothy 720 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:37,420 and Circe has been on my show she's an 721 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:40,930 awesome person and Medea who mythology 722 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:44,230 is Circe's niece was the only person 723 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:46,990 Greek mythology to own flying serpents 724 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:48,609 that pulled her chariot through the 725 00:35:54,089 --> 00:35:50,680 sides well there you go 726 00:35:57,650 --> 00:35:54,099 there you go well you know sir Cersei 727 00:36:00,059 --> 00:35:57,660 and I on our way to the Jersey is sure 728 00:36:02,459 --> 00:36:00,069 had a sighting of what we 729 00:36:05,489 --> 00:36:02,469 may have been the Jersey Devil for lack 730 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:05,499 of a better name along the the Pine 731 00:36:09,329 --> 00:36:07,719 Barrens well you know I can't even 732 00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:09,339 remember whether we were discussing the 733 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:12,190 the subject or not but I'm sure it had 734 00:36:16,949 --> 00:36:14,650 come up in the in the past and I saw 735 00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:16,959 this thing kind of like pop out of the 736 00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:20,380 the trees and then I said I I think I 737 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:22,779 said to it to her I said you know take a 738 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:24,670 look over there and then it stuck its 739 00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:27,190 head out again and then it went back in 740 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:29,109 and that was our sighting because of 741 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:30,910 course we're traveling along in the in 742 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,910 the car which was you know going in 50 743 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:35,920 or 60 miles an hour so we didn't stop 744 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:37,630 her anything it's kind of desolate along 745 00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:43,209 that area but I guess she being of Greek 746 00:36:48,839 --> 00:36:46,420 the Greek word would have a connection 747 00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:48,849 maybe with the Jersey Devil perhaps more 748 00:36:55,979 --> 00:36:52,029 so than than others if these things do 749 00:36:57,989 --> 00:36:55,989 go back you know in in in time but 750 00:37:00,660 --> 00:36:57,999 they're okay of course they these these 751 00:37:02,309 --> 00:37:00,670 beings of one type or another like like 752 00:37:04,589 --> 00:37:02,319 Timmy you had some sightings there I 753 00:37:06,749 --> 00:37:04,599 think in Indiana as well right over the 754 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,759 years of these flying snakes 755 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,190 oh yeah Indiana has been a hot spot for 756 00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:11,410 me whole Indian that's why they call it 757 00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:14,589 eerie Indiana yeah very very eerie 758 00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:17,380 well and you know Hercules was talking 759 00:37:24,089 --> 00:37:22,119 about say like the the the giant flying 760 00:37:28,319 --> 00:37:24,099 snakes that didn't have the didn't have 761 00:37:31,529 --> 00:37:28,329 wings but in the 19th century here in 762 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:31,539 Indiana there were a number of sightings 763 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:34,630 of snakes just like that giant snakes 764 00:37:42,209 --> 00:37:38,349 that would attack people by leaping out 765 00:37:44,489 --> 00:37:42,219 of trees and then flying to the ground 766 00:37:47,609 --> 00:37:44,499 to attack them but these snakes didn't 767 00:37:52,739 --> 00:37:47,619 didn't have wings and in fact in a town 768 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:52,749 called Alexandria farmer saw what he 769 00:37:59,489 --> 00:37:57,249 described as a as a giant snake that 770 00:38:04,170 --> 00:37:59,499 seemed to be made of like fire and 771 00:38:06,059 --> 00:38:04,180 lightning Wow yeah it it pulled itself 772 00:38:10,019 --> 00:38:06,069 he said along the ground and then it 773 00:38:12,689 --> 00:38:10,029 crossed a fence and up the side of a 774 00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:12,699 barn where and then it lept 775 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:13,240 off 776 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:15,700 of one side of the bar and to the other 777 00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:17,830 and on to the ground but then it 778 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:21,550 disappeared up into the sky and you know 779 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:22,900 the critics naturally I mean you know 780 00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:24,220 they said no way you just saw lightning 781 00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:25,960 and he was just like you know I know 782 00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:27,340 what lightning is and this wasn't 783 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:33,640 lightning the ancient sort of described 784 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:36,280 it as a serpent of Zeus because Zeus and 785 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:38,950 some of his aspects was associated with 786 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:41,290 serpents of the Capponi inner or 787 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:43,930 underworld Zeus so that sounds like 788 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:46,390 exactly the type of creature that would 789 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:50,470 be involved with that deity well you 790 00:38:59,460 --> 00:38:54,250 know when when you talk about like 791 00:39:02,580 --> 00:38:59,470 winged creatures when it comes to Greek 792 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:02,590 mythology and legends and and and all 793 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:05,650 that I have to go and think about and of 794 00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:08,890 course this was Hollywood the the movie 795 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:12,100 jason and the argonauts with the 796 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,170 stop-motion animation done by Ray had a 797 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:17,920 cost of the the harpies that Zeus had 798 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:23,010 sent to constantly torment the blind 799 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:27,609 prophet yes yes yes yes and I mean I saw 800 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:31,270 that I saw that movie when probably what 801 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:33,220 it originally came out I was just like 802 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,380 maybe five years old and those things 803 00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:37,990 terrified me but that always has stuck 804 00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:41,670 in my mind those wings humanoids 805 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:44,230 type creatures you know they looked 806 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:46,750 almost you know like reptilian types a 807 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:48,670 you know an attacking and tormenting 808 00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:52,090 this guy oh yeah the obvious which means 809 00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:55,780 grabbers they were foul creatures and 810 00:40:02,520 --> 00:39:59,920 they would not only torment King phineas 811 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:02,530 but they would also defecate in his food 812 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:05,530 and in whatever beverages were lost 813 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:11,890 yeah they invited their realize that 814 00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:14,200 part of the movie tell them not to bring 815 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:15,790 the harpies if you invite him over for 816 00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:19,150 dinner and then there's the Furies or 817 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:20,920 the etting yes and they come from the 818 00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:24,040 underworld and they're very similar to 819 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:25,300 the harpies 820 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:26,680 but there 821 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:29,050 like the hounds of Hades they go and 822 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:31,300 punish those who sinned against the Lord 823 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:36,490 of the underworld and the Gorgons to the 824 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:38,530 Gorgons believenot studded as mermaids 825 00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,220 and one of the Gorgons Medusa was 826 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:45,040 seduced by Poseidon who made love to her 827 00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:47,890 on an altar of Athena so Athena cursed 828 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:50,440 her and her sisters to become these very 829 00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:54,040 reptilians creatures with wings and 830 00:41:02,780 --> 00:40:59,260 bronze fingers and toes and Medusa 831 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:02,790 herself had snakes hair that if you 832 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:05,830 looked at it would turn you into stone 833 00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:09,160 so yes the Greeks populated the skies 834 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:11,560 with many of these types of preachers 835 00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:15,220 and these preachers are still appear in 836 00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:18,580 modern times when I go to Greece and 837 00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:19,960 I've been Christian a lot but I used to 838 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:21,100 go fairly often 839 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:23,770 I still wanna collect these stories and 840 00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:27,010 the the stories that were related to me 841 00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:30,040 and the experiences I've had prove that 842 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:31,840 these creatures are still very much 843 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:36,100 alive in the group reality or the pop or 844 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:38,290 the popular imagination if you care to 845 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:41,890 look at it that way well that's what 846 00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:45,510 that's what fascinates me though is that 847 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:49,480 people are still having these kinds of 848 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:53,710 experiences but as we well know that I 849 00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:55,660 mean they their load to talk about it 850 00:42:00,210 --> 00:41:58,030 except you know they keep it within you 851 00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,220 know their family or you know their 852 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:03,040 their village or things like that and I 853 00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:06,490 mean are they described mmm are they 854 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:08,920 describing the same kind of things that 855 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:12,340 has been you know seen for you know 856 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:17,770 centuries oh yes in the in the the Greek 857 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:21,970 psyche I guess heaven and the underworld 858 00:42:28,650 --> 00:42:26,050 may have changed management but all the 859 00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:28,660 in-between creatures that were known in 860 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:33,280 antiquity are still very active and I've 861 00:42:37,050 --> 00:42:35,530 had experiences myself some of which I 862 00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:37,060 shared last time I was I'm not with 863 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:39,740 flying creatures so much as 864 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:41,810 rustle creatures but I've met other 865 00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:44,690 people and sometimes the creatures 866 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:46,520 appear is very solid and they're 867 00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:49,130 experienced as such sometimes they're 868 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:51,500 kind of like in-between creatures and 869 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:53,930 they'll shift shape and it's kind of 870 00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:55,610 like the experience you have in the 871 00:43:00,040 --> 00:42:58,550 hypnagogic and hypnopompic states where 872 00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:00,050 it's very difficult to differentiate 873 00:43:06,190 --> 00:43:04,100 between waking and dreaming but in those 874 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:06,200 states the experiences are much more 875 00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:08,450 vivid than you have even in waking so 876 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:11,240 the most religious experiences actually 877 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:14,390 take place during those times so the 878 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:16,690 reality of the experiences is 879 00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:23,660 phenomenally stark and memorable now do 880 00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:28,550 any of these have winged creatures pick 881 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:31,190 up the locals and take them to Olympus 882 00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:32,770 or somewhere else I mean is there a 883 00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,480 magical element included in this in 884 00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:41,119 ancient times there are tales like for 885 00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:45,350 instance of Pegasus Pegasus was a child 886 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:47,900 of Medusa by the way when Perseus 887 00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,090 chopped off her head her blood dripped 888 00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:52,880 into the sea and Pegasus was one of the 889 00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:56,420 creatures that came forth Pegasus was 890 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:00,200 welcome on Mount Olympus one of the 891 00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:03,470 heroes Bellerophon decided to ride 892 00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:07,400 Pegasus to bount Olympus but he was 893 00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:09,980 struck down for his presumptuousness and 894 00:44:15,849 --> 00:44:13,520 his briefs and he fell down became 895 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:15,859 crippled and spent the rest of his life 896 00:44:20,859 --> 00:44:19,130 as a beggar because he presumed that 897 00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:20,869 he'll be welcome in the company of the 898 00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:23,060 gods but Pegasus was was definitely 899 00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:24,790 welcome in the company of the gods so 900 00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:29,150 sometimes animals and once it flew were 901 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:32,630 corded higher prestige than heroic 902 00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:36,650 mortals by the Olympians hmm of course 903 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:39,020 not yeah we're just we're just the 904 00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,010 mortals whoo-hoo yeah well yeah exactly 905 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:45,760 very good I like that too you know 906 00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,530 there's aa dollars's the forest who 907 00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:51,200 could fly would often take the favorites 908 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:53,870 up to Olympus or to their area 909 00:45:01,810 --> 00:44:57,680 realms and in Greek mythology and then 910 00:45:04,210 --> 00:45:01,820 the Greek tradition today intercourse on 911 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:04,220 many different levels between mortals 912 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:06,890 and immortals is is not only possible 913 00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:08,930 but has been continuous throughout 914 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:12,860 history which I would think that okay 915 00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:15,410 you talked earlier about how you know 916 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:18,230 the upper management has changed but you 917 00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:20,810 know like the in-between and lower ones 918 00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:22,910 you know they say the same I would think 919 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:25,070 that now with the change of management 920 00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:27,710 that that kind of cohabitation would be 921 00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:31,100 frowned upon it is frowned upon 922 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:34,220 and it's considered demonic because too 923 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:38,540 many modern Christians the Olympian gods 924 00:45:45,490 --> 00:45:41,450 are Devils as that happened throughout 925 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:45,500 Europe and other places as the Abrahamic 926 00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:48,470 states spread and earlier than that when 927 00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,150 the person Indian faiths parted ways the 928 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:54,560 devas and asuras 929 00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:57,010 depending on who you talk to were 930 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:00,140 interchangeably dogs or Devils so that 931 00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:04,490 does happen in history but in the UFO 932 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:07,790 literature now in throughout the world 933 00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:10,370 and that's a new universal language of 934 00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:12,020 these types of experiences 935 00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:13,880 Hercules I'm gonna have to I'm gonna 936 00:46:16,330 --> 00:46:14,750 have to interrupt you here unfortunately 937 00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:16,340 because we're out on top of the hour 938 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:17,900 break so when we come back we'll 939 00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:30,299 [Music] 940 00:46:37,259 --> 00:46:34,599 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 941 00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:37,269 ride into the world of the paranoid 942 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:40,579 strap yourself in as we traverse the 943 00:46:49,299 --> 00:46:44,890 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 944 00:46:53,469 --> 00:46:49,309 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 945 00:46:57,969 --> 00:46:53,479 as well as other dimensions it's time to 946 00:47:00,219 --> 00:46:57,979 take back the night now your 947 00:47:04,979 --> 00:47:00,229 electrifying hosts of exploring the 948 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:04,989 bizarre Timothy Beckley and Tim Schwartz 949 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:07,729 back again with exploring the bizarre 950 00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:10,130 thanking everyone for listening to us 951 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:11,900 Tim Beck late myself we really 952 00:47:17,229 --> 00:47:13,729 appreciate it we appreciate that you 953 00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:17,239 come back and and are with us every 954 00:47:22,269 --> 00:47:20,359 Thursday night here on that K cor 955 00:47:24,429 --> 00:47:22,279 digital radio network 956 00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:24,439 so Jonathan let's bring you back into 957 00:47:33,219 --> 00:47:29,660 the conversation now earlier we were 958 00:47:39,579 --> 00:47:33,229 talking about the Rope Ropin of New 959 00:47:44,699 --> 00:47:39,589 Guinea but there has been really I mean 960 00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,709 hundreds if not more sightings of flying 961 00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:47,599 reptile type creatures here in the 962 00:47:51,489 --> 00:47:50,150 United States I know I saw a press 963 00:47:55,899 --> 00:47:51,499 release that you put out not too long 964 00:47:59,469 --> 00:47:55,909 ago that listed Hawaii is having a very 965 00:48:01,870 --> 00:47:59,479 high sighting count yes the that 966 00:48:03,849 --> 00:48:01,880 particular report dealt with the in 967 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:03,859 relation to the human population there's 968 00:48:08,289 --> 00:48:05,689 two ways to look at the number of 969 00:48:10,809 --> 00:48:08,299 sightings of apparent pterosaurs one is 970 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:10,819 just the raw data which is just a number 971 00:48:15,189 --> 00:48:13,609 of sightings you know that I mainly 972 00:48:17,949 --> 00:48:15,199 almost the only person that keeps 973 00:48:20,019 --> 00:48:17,959 statistics on this but that's a raw data 974 00:48:22,989 --> 00:48:20,029 how many and that's California takes 975 00:48:24,909 --> 00:48:22,999 number one easily but then when you get 976 00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:24,919 to the comparison to the human 977 00:48:28,689 --> 00:48:26,630 population like for example how many 978 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:28,699 sightings for six million inhabitants 979 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:31,249 that that kind of ratio then Hawaii 980 00:48:36,489 --> 00:48:34,609 jumps out way way ahead it's because it 981 00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:36,499 just doesn't have the population nearly 982 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:41,089 close to California so now do you think 983 00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:42,890 that because we were talking during the 984 00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:44,260 break 985 00:48:49,859 --> 00:48:47,559 Teena Maria producer was talking about 986 00:48:53,849 --> 00:48:49,869 Jonathan Nolan who was a guest on one of 987 00:48:58,049 --> 00:48:53,859 her shows that was talking about how 988 00:49:01,890 --> 00:48:58,059 some South Pacific Islands had a number 989 00:49:04,829 --> 00:49:01,900 of weather the natives said there said 990 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:04,839 that you know there were no they do I 991 00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:06,450 don't think they call them Terra Don's 992 00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:10,720 but but Jonathan did you know so is 993 00:49:17,539 --> 00:49:12,099 there something about a tropical 994 00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:17,549 environment that these things seem to 995 00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,420 populate 996 00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:21,760 better than others it's a good question 997 00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,740 to me I think there's something to be 998 00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:25,359 considered there that the tropical 999 00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:28,780 environment there may be perhaps a 1000 00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,270 greater number of these animals there 1001 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:33,880 than in other parts of the world but we 1002 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:35,910 need to be aware that some of these 1003 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:38,410 islands extremely remote a few a few 1004 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:40,150 people go in there as very few a 1005 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:43,089 westerner so we don't have a 1006 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:45,609 preponderance of actual sighting reports 1007 00:49:49,799 --> 00:49:47,890 there may be more the animals but just 1008 00:49:52,799 --> 00:49:49,809 not as many people to report them and 1009 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:52,809 get them into to the knowledge of my 1010 00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,720 associates and I okay well what about 1011 00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:57,280 the what about the sightings of these 1012 00:50:04,200 --> 00:49:59,410 things in in the United States 1013 00:50:07,319 --> 00:50:04,210 especially in areas that aren't really 1014 00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:07,329 known as having a lot of you know say 1015 00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:10,359 like a forest or wild places and things 1016 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,359 like that North Carolina I read an 1017 00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:18,880 article today talking about this woman 1018 00:50:24,299 --> 00:50:21,430 who had three different sightings but 1019 00:50:26,539 --> 00:50:24,309 what she described as a terror Don yeah 1020 00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:26,549 that's a Cynthia Lee I interviewed her 1021 00:50:32,670 --> 00:50:29,680 and telephone by telephone and also by 1022 00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:32,680 emails yeah Cynthia saw a number of them 1023 00:50:36,539 --> 00:50:34,630 over a period of months number of 1024 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:36,549 sightings she had I believe she's 1025 00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,890 credible I think that she actually saw 1026 00:50:43,289 --> 00:50:40,960 what she believes she did that they 1027 00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:43,299 really were and that these particular 1028 00:50:48,569 --> 00:50:45,790 sightings we need to keep it in context 1029 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:48,579 in the whole country it's easier to name 1030 00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:50,380 off the the states the United States 1031 00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,020 that have not had sighting reports sent 1032 00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:54,880 to me compared with those who have 1033 00:51:02,190 --> 00:50:58,210 they're just so common North Carolina is 1034 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:02,200 one of the higher numbers of raw data 1035 00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:04,930 for sightings and we need to keep in 1036 00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:07,000 mind that North Carolina is I'm not 1037 00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:09,400 mistaken it has more human population 1038 00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:12,220 than average American state but Cynthia 1039 00:51:18,329 --> 00:51:16,000 Lee have recorded them over a period of 1040 00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:18,339 months a number of sightings and we need 1041 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:19,660 to understand that this is not that 1042 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:21,609 uncommon when somebody sees what they 1043 00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:23,410 believe is a living pterosaur the common 1044 00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:26,380 reaction and I shouldn't say most common 1045 00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:29,020 but it's it's one of the things that 1046 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:31,540 happens is that the eyewitness will for 1047 00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:34,030 the rest of their life be looking at the 1048 00:51:38,609 --> 00:51:36,550 skies watching that's a big point they 1049 00:51:40,109 --> 00:51:38,619 will be looking for any time they see 1050 00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:40,119 something similar and sometimes it 1051 00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:41,470 happens they will see I have another 1052 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:51,849 sighting so and you know try I'm trying 1053 00:51:59,400 --> 00:51:56,770 to wrap my head around this idea that 1054 00:52:03,390 --> 00:51:59,410 here in the United States there could 1055 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:03,400 actually be large flying reptiles and 1056 00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:04,930 I'm not using the word dinosaur most 1057 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:06,280 people think that these things are 1058 00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:08,080 dinosaurs but they weren't you know they 1059 00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:10,540 weren't weren't related to dinosaurs and 1060 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:14,380 they're basically flying reptiles but if 1061 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:21,210 these things are physically real where 1062 00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:24,310 how come people aren't seeing them all 1063 00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,750 the time or you know hitting them with 1064 00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:28,240 their 18-wheelers or you know running 1065 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,470 into or they're running into the sides 1066 00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:34,960 of buildings and things like that well 1067 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:37,030 actually I do have reports like all of 1068 00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,849 those things you mentioned okay okay 1069 00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:40,480 details 1070 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:43,000 I mean I could tell you about a car 1071 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:44,890 crash a car flipping over into a field 1072 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:47,260 because of a sighting and another car 1073 00:52:51,570 --> 00:52:49,570 and the Washington state that crashed 1074 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:51,580 into a telephone pole if I recall 1075 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:53,650 because then he just tells the police 1076 00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:55,570 officer it was a pterodactyl that's the 1077 00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,369 distraction and then another lady in 1078 00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:59,680 Florida it's in the court records she 1079 00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:01,690 went to court suing she didn't want to 1080 00:53:04,829 --> 00:53:03,070 be fired you know what she said it was a 1081 00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:04,839 pterodactyl because there too may have 1082 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:08,200 the crash crash the delivery vehicle 1083 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:10,390 number if it's UPS or something like 1084 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:11,170 that 1085 00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:14,610 so these these do happen the thing is 1086 00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:16,540 they don't always get into the 1087 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:18,700 newspapers people always don't donal us 1088 00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:20,170 here about them you know 1089 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:22,870 well you had one you had one report that 1090 00:53:26,130 --> 00:53:24,790 you talked about in this chapter that 1091 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:26,140 you did for a book 1092 00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:29,620 Sandra paradise and in Georgia you know 1093 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:31,620 which seem that seems to be pretty close 1094 00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:34,960 pretty close encounter there what what 1095 00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,190 what do you remember about you had a 1096 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:38,800 conversation with her right yeah so I 1097 00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:40,510 were over a number of years and remember 1098 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:43,600 the interviews yeah it's very high 1099 00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:45,490 credibility as our link to extremely 1100 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:48,040 high credibility she had some good views 1101 00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:51,010 the first one absolutely shocked her she 1102 00:53:55,050 --> 00:53:53,950 didn't know what to think and then a few 1103 00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:55,060 weeks and it was early in the morning 1104 00:54:01,080 --> 00:53:57,310 she is driving to work as one of the 1105 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:01,090 quit assistants is called the winder has 1106 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:04,810 that time is that Georgia some somewhere 1107 00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:08,170 I think those reminder Georgia but 1108 00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:09,640 anyway it was that part of the country 1109 00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:11,800 and she was driving to work early in the 1110 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:14,020 morning and she did see this huge 1111 00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:16,810 long-tailed creature with no feathers 1112 00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:20,020 fly right in front of her not very close 1113 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,910 to her but it was close enough that she 1114 00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:24,400 could see where it was and she was just 1115 00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:27,580 shocked and she was always looking for 1116 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:29,230 it trying to get up at the same time of 1117 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:31,570 morning early one morning she couldn't 1118 00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:33,940 get up early and so she is thinking I on 1119 00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:35,620 no way I'll see it now because this 1120 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:37,960 think only comes out it right after 1121 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:40,090 sunrise well that was a morning we 1122 00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:41,650 actually saw it again but it wasn't the 1123 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:44,140 same identical animal there was the same 1124 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:47,110 species this was in a different size so 1125 00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:49,180 she got the idea well apparently there's 1126 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:54,310 two of them out there now are we are 1127 00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,770 these similar to the the the 1128 00:55:01,500 --> 00:54:58,720 Thunderbirds that had been seen over the 1129 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:01,510 years in fact now I I remember I came 1130 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:03,610 across the photo that I think we're 1131 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:05,890 gonna use in the book that that you had 1132 00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:07,900 in your collection that was taken during 1133 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:09,220 the Civil War 1134 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:13,720 yes so alright are these things the same 1135 00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:15,850 as the the Thunderbirds are somehow 1136 00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:18,220 related or are they during the same 1137 00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:19,470 periods of time 1138 00:55:24,510 --> 00:55:22,900 well Thunder is a complicated question I 1139 00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:24,520 hope you can deal with the 1140 00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:29,100 get into this Thunderbird is the name of 1141 00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:31,540 legendary flying creature and there I 1142 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:35,140 don't mean that imply that there's a one 1143 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:38,140 precise legend for the whole it's just 1144 00:55:43,170 --> 00:55:41,530 going to be complicated there is the 1145 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:43,180 general idea that there's this large 1146 00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:44,710 flying creature sometimes it's said to 1147 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:47,800 have feathers sometimes not but we have 1148 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:50,170 to understand that this is a label it's 1149 00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:54,090 not a really a scientific or technically 1150 00:56:01,050 --> 00:55:58,090 actually a kind of a description it's a 1151 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:01,060 label and people can use labels for 1152 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:02,410 different animals actually something 1153 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:04,090 completely different kind of animal 1154 00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,560 could have the same label I think it's 1155 00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:07,390 like that with Jersey Devil sometimes 1156 00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:09,190 there are actually pterosaurs other 1157 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:11,020 times maybe their people are something 1158 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:11,400 else 1159 00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:17,050 absolutely there's labels now you also 1160 00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:19,270 have one side we're talking about a 1161 00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:21,640 variety of people who just like UFO 1162 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:23,230 witnesses here we're not just talking 1163 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:25,570 about you know the UPS driver that's up 1164 00:56:31,650 --> 00:56:27,550 earlier you know or the teacher that's 1165 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:31,660 going to work at 6:30 or something you 1166 00:56:38,730 --> 00:56:34,090 have a one incident here that took place 1167 00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:38,740 in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba where a u.s. 1168 00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:42,180 Marine had a had a sighting and went in 1169 00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:44,800 2010 or is that when you spoke to him on 1170 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:48,660 the phone yeah the sighting itself was 1171 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:51,130 1971 what yes 1172 00:56:55,950 --> 00:56:53,650 that's concurrent as can see come I 1173 00:56:57,780 --> 00:56:55,960 believe he I interviewed him a number of 1174 00:57:00,810 --> 00:56:57,790 times over telephone we've communicated 1175 00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:00,820 over the years I was very very credible 1176 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:04,660 sighting he was a US marine at the end 1177 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,970 this in the middle of the year really he 1178 00:57:14,099 --> 00:57:09,119 calls this summer but course down there 1179 00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,109 let's assume we're all that diamo Bay 1180 00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:16,240 and he was near the coast and there's 1181 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:18,700 two of these pterodactyls he gave you 1182 00:57:23,730 --> 00:57:20,830 what he called turn afros good sized 1183 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:23,740 creatures a good size wingspan sort of 1184 00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:26,650 clearly and he's called a close range in 1185 00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:29,230 other words it wasn't filed far from it 1186 00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:32,500 flew away and he he concentrated to 1187 00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:34,630 remember exactly what they look like 1188 00:57:38,140 --> 00:57:36,460 because he's a talented artist he's one 1189 00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:38,150 of his artists you know 1190 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:39,710 who can see I think there's a drawing 1191 00:57:45,849 --> 00:57:41,950 that's gonna be in the book that you 1192 00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:45,859 sent that he must have done we expand 1193 00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:48,470 long tail there feel free to use them 1194 00:57:52,450 --> 00:57:50,809 yeah oh yeah yeah we are all right we're 1195 00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,460 gonna this is going to be a humdinger of 1196 00:57:58,539 --> 00:57:54,559 a book let me tell you we have we have 1197 00:58:01,059 --> 00:57:58,549 every flying thing known to man and some 1198 00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:01,069 not known to man possibly right now mr. 1199 00:58:07,569 --> 00:58:04,520 kundan has given complete permission to 1200 00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:07,579 use this yes yes well it's it's a 1201 00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,950 fascinating story you've done now 1202 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:12,319 where's your research today ed like 1203 00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,450 leading you I mean do you feel that 1204 00:58:19,289 --> 00:58:16,910 you've discovered like when you started 1205 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:19,299 on this many years ago have you come to 1206 00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:24,410 any conclusions or are there things that 1207 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:27,529 you that might differ then when you 1208 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:29,690 first got into this you're 10 your 1209 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:36,170 opinion or well basically yeah I've come 1210 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:37,970 to realize that there are more than one 1211 00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:39,770 species there's there's no way that this 1212 00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:42,230 could be one species that the great 1213 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:44,660 majority of sightings are somewhat 1214 00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:46,130 similar to the rope'n of Papua New 1215 00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:48,049 Guinea different in other words 1216 00:58:51,549 --> 00:58:49,849 different people from difficulties 1217 00:58:53,950 --> 00:58:51,559 different legends different backgrounds 1218 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:53,960 different languages different different 1219 00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:56,089 cultural backgrounds around the world 1220 00:59:00,579 --> 00:58:58,670 will describe usually something similar 1221 00:59:02,769 --> 00:59:00,589 with the long tails a flange at the end 1222 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:02,779 of the tail that I think is around for 1223 00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:05,770 an quick flange my associates and I 1224 00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:08,660 basically are agreed on this this is 1225 00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:11,480 very common type of sliding so if I get 1226 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:13,460 something from Canada British Columbia 1227 00:59:17,529 --> 00:59:16,490 Ontario or whatever it is or up and then 1228 00:59:19,450 --> 00:59:17,539 the further north 1229 00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:19,460 it's not called Providence and provinces 1230 00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:22,220 up there but you know the territories up 1231 00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:24,380 in the occasional get well even though 1232 00:59:30,849 --> 00:59:27,020 far north in Canada but basically the 1233 00:59:36,609 --> 00:59:30,859 usuals report whether from Mexico United 1234 00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:36,619 States from Spain Netherlands Africa 1235 00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,940 will be of a featherless lizard like a 1236 00:59:46,210 --> 00:59:43,520 reptilian sort of flying creature no 1237 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:46,220 feathers long tail and sometimes it has 1238 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:48,170 a head crest sometimes it doesn't 1239 00:59:51,609 --> 00:59:50,450 sometimes the person can't say but this 1240 00:59:53,799 --> 00:59:51,619 is very very common 1241 00:59:59,229 --> 00:59:53,809 I'll give you a statistic on this yes 1242 01:00:04,239 --> 00:59:59,239 very significant statistic it's at the 1243 01:00:07,870 --> 01:00:04,249 beginning of 2000 year 2013 I made a 1244 01:00:09,549 --> 01:00:07,880 compilation of data 41% of the 1245 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:09,559 eyewitnesses say that the creature had a 1246 01:00:15,009 --> 01:00:13,249 long tail but only 2% said that it did 1247 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:15,019 not have a long tail that's about a 20 1248 01:00:21,279 --> 01:00:18,190 to 1 ratio it's just statistically 1249 01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:21,289 significant it's very common for these 1250 01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:23,029 things and that's weird in a sense 1251 01:00:27,579 --> 01:00:25,430 because scientists have assumed that 1252 01:00:31,779 --> 01:00:27,589 that was a kind of terrorist or the 1253 01:00:33,309 --> 01:00:31,789 became extinct before the the ones that 1254 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:33,319 we were used to from giraffe from 1255 01:00:40,749 --> 01:00:38,329 Jurassic Park movies you know now would 1256 01:00:43,299 --> 01:00:40,759 you say ok Jurassic Park was released in 1257 01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,309 what year Jonathan well there's that you 1258 01:00:48,219 --> 01:00:46,400 mean the first movie itself yeah oh let 1259 01:00:51,969 --> 01:00:48,229 me see when was that has been well no 1260 01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,979 that was in the late 1990s visitors or 1261 01:00:57,069 --> 01:00:53,599 early twenties 1262 01:00:59,079 --> 01:00:57,079 yeah did you find that there were an 1263 01:01:01,269 --> 01:00:59,089 increase of in reports that you know 1264 01:01:03,249 --> 01:01:01,279 because we've seen that with the UFO 1265 01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,259 films over the years the Close 1266 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:05,119 Encounters will come out and people 1267 01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,249 would have well we can't say really 1268 01:01:11,229 --> 01:01:09,200 whether people were having more UFO 1269 01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:11,239 sightings or whether people were just 1270 01:01:15,609 --> 01:01:12,799 more willing to realize that other 1271 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:15,619 people had you know had similar 1272 01:01:21,029 --> 01:01:17,690 encounters and therefore they didn't 1273 01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:21,039 feel as shy about reporting it to some 1274 01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,950 so-called Authority yeah it's a good 1275 01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,960 line of questioning here of course we 1276 01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:29,180 need to distinguish between the 1277 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:31,999 frequency of newspaper accounts and 1278 01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,130 media yeah yeah well I get or or I wish 1279 01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:39,200 to direct a contact me and I communicate 1280 01:01:43,329 --> 01:01:41,630 with them directly even though sometimes 1281 01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:43,339 they don't always have a back-and-forth 1282 01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:45,140 communication I do receive that 1283 01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:46,940 eyewitness reports from the eyewitness 1284 01:01:53,370 --> 01:01:49,460 now that's a different thing there's not 1285 01:01:56,769 --> 01:01:53,380 any anything that I can determine that 1286 01:01:58,779 --> 01:01:56,779 that would show any reasonable 1287 01:02:00,969 --> 01:01:58,789 possibility that there's any increase 1288 01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:00,979 when there's a movie come out in the 1289 01:02:04,890 --> 01:02:03,950 fact this the kind of reports we usually 1290 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:04,900 get they're not even 1291 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:07,090 the kind of we see in the in the films 1292 01:02:12,090 --> 01:02:08,770 in Jurassic Park there are different 1293 01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:12,100 kind of tourists or their long tail and 1294 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:14,110 the Jurassic Park is a pterodactyl egg 1295 01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:17,490 which is basically short very short tail 1296 01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:21,640 now do we have in the UFO field we have 1297 01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:24,610 what we call window areas or flap areas 1298 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:27,790 where these things may materialize over 1299 01:02:32,580 --> 01:02:30,610 a period of time anywhere from a couple 1300 01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:32,590 of weeks suits as six months or a year 1301 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:34,390 and then maybe disappear and come back 1302 01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:38,530 again are there such criteria in your 1303 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:42,430 line of research where there are areas 1304 01:02:48,930 --> 01:02:45,850 where there are more sightings and usual 1305 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:48,940 from different witnesses during a 1306 01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:53,850 certain period of time generally not but 1307 01:02:58,590 --> 01:02:56,200 we need to look into this a little bit 1308 01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:58,600 well as far as I can tell there's no 1309 01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:01,170 particular place at a particular time 1310 01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,790 where sightings are generally more 1311 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:05,680 common other is exceptions you should 1312 01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:07,450 mention there are some exceptions but 1313 01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:09,700 generally that's not the kind of thing 1314 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:12,520 where we say there's a lot of these 1315 01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:15,730 animals in one particular place mrs. 1316 01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:17,590 Jimmy no that's just I get a negative 1317 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:19,390 signal from Canada 1318 01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:21,370 another week I'll get a sighting report 1319 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:27,340 from Indiana or Florida or Texas and 1320 01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:29,530 then and another time I get a report 1321 01:03:35,330 --> 01:03:32,140 from California just I'm different 1322 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:35,340 different sometimes the reports are not 1323 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:37,930 that recent sometimes somebody will say 1324 01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:40,330 well I saw one when I was a child you 1325 01:03:46,530 --> 01:03:43,980 know dick you like three years ago okay 1326 01:03:49,020 --> 01:03:46,540 well I was gonna ask you know have you 1327 01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:49,030 ever looked into to see if there there 1328 01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:51,820 could be say like a migration pattern 1329 01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:55,660 going on I know that when there were a 1330 01:04:03,090 --> 01:03:58,330 lot of Thunderbird sightings in Illinois 1331 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:03,100 and Indiana summer and and and and Texas 1332 01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:05,770 some some researchers you know did a did 1333 01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:09,310 a little math and came up with the idea 1334 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:10,720 that possibly these things were coming 1335 01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:13,360 up from say like you know Central 1336 01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:17,260 America Mexico on like a migration route 1337 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:18,280 that then lit up to 1338 01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:20,770 Texas and then on up into the Midwest 1339 01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:23,830 and possibly on up into Canada I have 1340 01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:25,240 you have you ever looked in to see if 1341 01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:26,710 there may be a similar type of pattern 1342 01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:29,680 with these kinds of sightings hole I 1343 01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:32,140 sometimes consider that but we need to 1344 01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,230 realize it's far more difficult than 1345 01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:36,400 people expect people have asked me this 1346 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:38,440 before it's not a not any question that 1347 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:39,810 they have asked me this over many years 1348 01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:42,370 the problem we have is I'll give you an 1349 01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:44,920 example to see and see how you can get a 1350 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:47,590 migration out of this and Central 1351 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:49,330 Arkansas a number of years ago quite a 1352 01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:51,730 few years ago that teenager girl was on 1353 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:53,320 the top of a cliff overlooking this 1354 01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,690 little valley and if this River down 1355 01:04:59,640 --> 01:04:57,760 there and she her farther up there and 1356 01:05:01,260 --> 01:04:59,650 she started talking tossing pebbles over 1357 01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:01,270 the cliff and those teenagers and kids 1358 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:04,270 do and one of them apparently made an 1359 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:05,890 impact with something down there because 1360 01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:08,970 any she saw this huge pterodactyl 1361 01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:11,110 gliding out from right before she flew 1362 01:05:15,390 --> 01:05:13,090 the pebble and it just glided out over 1363 01:05:18,690 --> 01:05:15,400 the river there and then took a turn and 1364 01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:18,700 started gliding away if the illustration 1365 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:22,180 of why these animals sometimes will be 1366 01:05:26,190 --> 01:05:24,370 seen in daylight they're they just are 1367 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:26,200 disturbed and the flight pattern they 1368 01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:28,890 have when people see in the daylight 1369 01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:31,510 generally has nothing to do with any 1370 01:05:36,930 --> 01:05:34,300 migratory pattern at least not 1371 01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:36,940 consistently so it's and I can give you 1372 01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:39,400 many other examples but it has to do 1373 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:41,410 what an animal is doing in the area at 1374 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:43,570 that time rather than traveling from one 1375 01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:54,690 well what about now the Thunderbirds 1376 01:06:01,230 --> 01:05:57,310 have you know a very predominant in 1377 01:06:03,690 --> 01:06:01,240 Native American traditions have you have 1378 01:06:07,610 --> 01:06:03,700 you run across anything similar when it 1379 01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:07,620 comes to flying reptiles I mean any 1380 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:10,540 Native American or or anyplace else I 1381 01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:13,810 mean I mean we know that they've been 1382 01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:16,870 seen in Papua New Guinea but other 1383 01:06:24,510 --> 01:06:21,640 places the like that here in the US or 1384 01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:24,520 Central America yeah I mean I've run 1385 01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:28,720 into things like that it's not my 1386 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:33,310 specialty to delve into the legends and 1387 01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:35,650 stories that go back I try to get things 1388 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:38,220 as recent as possible things that happen 1389 01:06:43,470 --> 01:06:40,810 with eyewitness they're still living so 1390 01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:43,480 on if the challenge we have with legends 1391 01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:46,630 is that we don't know how much they may 1392 01:06:52,980 --> 01:06:50,440 have been influenced by by things that 1393 01:06:54,860 --> 01:06:52,990 might distort what it is like for 1394 01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:54,870 protecta some of the legends of 1395 01:06:59,490 --> 01:06:57,310 Thunderbird may very well be from 1396 01:07:01,470 --> 01:06:59,500 pterosaurs and others may be if a large 1397 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:01,480 bird because I do get sighting reports 1398 01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:04,030 sometimes in a large Eagle Lake or 1399 01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:05,860 Condor like bird that's larger than a 1400 01:07:09,530 --> 01:07:08,140 normal-sized known to science so it's 1401 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:09,540 kind of complicated 1402 01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:12,730 well 10 didn't you in your chapter in 1403 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:17,950 the book weird wing there wonders you 1404 01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:24,430 have a an art that's on a on the wall in 1405 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:27,040 what is Missouri along the Missouri 1406 01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:29,170 River the Mississippi River yeah the 1407 01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:36,100 yeah yeah the the Piazza which another 1408 01:07:40,110 --> 01:07:38,560 chapter but I didn't do that that's very 1409 01:07:43,290 --> 01:07:40,120 interesting about the price of bird 1410 01:07:45,330 --> 01:07:43,300 because it's there is some indication 1411 01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,340 from what I understand it could have 1412 01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:47,440 been from originally from a large 1413 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:49,750 pterosaur we have certain legends and 1414 01:07:53,730 --> 01:07:51,730 certain stories that go back for so many 1415 01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:53,740 generations hundreds of years that have 1416 01:08:02,910 --> 01:07:56,670 certain similarities the pie saw bird 1417 01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,920 another report from Venezuela I believe 1418 01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:04,960 it was from generations ago the natives 1419 01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:06,550 I tell you that one if you like that the 1420 01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,080 natives had a similar legend where 1421 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:10,960 there's this huge flying creature that 1422 01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:13,150 just bat like and it can it carries off 1423 01:08:18,690 --> 01:08:15,550 people kills them to eat some and then 1424 01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,700 one time it it was seen after eating a 1425 01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:20,799 person that seen defecating in the river 1426 01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:22,750 and they named the river after they 1427 01:08:25,980 --> 01:08:24,310 never drink from the water that river to 1428 01:08:29,789 --> 01:08:25,990 this day and they named the river that 1429 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:29,799 means that they're about to feces of the 1430 01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:31,810 bat so they don't they 1431 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:34,450 drink from that River even to the day 1432 01:08:41,940 --> 01:08:36,010 because of what happened with that 1433 01:08:43,650 --> 01:08:41,950 defecation oh yeah I wouldn't who knows 1434 01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:43,660 you might you might be every day that 1435 01:08:56,370 --> 01:08:54,910 even know it we only really have yeah we 1436 01:08:58,890 --> 01:08:56,380 only have about a minute and a half we 1437 01:09:01,020 --> 01:08:58,900 have to go to our break here but yeah 1438 01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:01,030 any sightings I here in the United 1439 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:03,910 States of these things glow in the 1440 01:09:07,770 --> 01:09:05,650 glowing in the dark like they're open 1441 01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:07,780 yes and some of the sightings are in 1442 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:10,180 California even Los Angeles look I can 1443 01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:13,530 hear even Los Angeles itself this is not 1444 01:09:20,820 --> 01:09:16,600 just out in remote areas and remote to 1445 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:20,830 wilderness or forest areas some of these 1446 01:09:25,290 --> 01:09:22,330 animals can come right into Raleigh 1447 01:09:28,730 --> 01:09:25,300 North Carolina it's just we need to keep 1448 01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,740 our eyes open and watch them so them are 1449 01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:32,080 definitely as far as you can tell they 1450 01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,500 are bioluminescent yeah hmm that's 1451 01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:36,880 interesting and they could tell that 1452 01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:39,100 this is you know a creature glowing in 1453 01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:40,540 the dark and not some kind of you know 1454 01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:44,710 aircraft yeah right there there's a when 1455 01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:46,120 they can see the wings and see the 1456 01:09:50,849 --> 01:09:47,680 flapping of the wings at the same time 1457 01:09:53,730 --> 01:09:50,859 it's you know it's not a do the way do 1458 01:09:59,130 --> 01:09:53,740 the wings makes that a sound sometimes 1459 01:10:01,670 --> 01:09:59,140 we get alright let's go to our break 1460 01:10:04,170 --> 01:10:01,680 here and we'll be right back for more 1461 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:04,180 exploring the bizarre so please stay 1462 01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:07,530 tuned now back to exploring the bizarre 1463 01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:10,140 with two of the most electrifying 1464 01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:13,270 researchers in the Paranoid your hosts 1465 01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:20,680 Timothy Becca Lee and Kings Wars and 1466 01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:25,600 Harry owed him at the last segment of 1467 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:28,600 the program and I mean just did such a 1468 01:10:33,660 --> 01:10:31,330 fantastic fantastic show just all kinds 1469 01:10:36,270 --> 01:10:33,670 of interesting things that we've learned 1470 01:10:40,260 --> 01:10:36,280 and so I better shut up and let our 1471 01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:40,270 guests have the floor again but I do 1472 01:10:48,030 --> 01:10:42,670 want to acknowledge we got a question 1473 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:48,040 from Jamie and Jamie wanted to know have 1474 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:50,410 the guys looked into the Thunderbirds 1475 01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:52,530 that have appeared in the Bridgeport 1476 01:10:59,730 --> 01:10:55,870 Triangle area in Massachusetts and 1477 01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,740 neither neither Hercules or a Jonathan 1478 01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:02,400 are familiar with those cases however 1479 01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,190 you may want to tune in next week Jamie 1480 01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:08,800 because we're going to have Stan Gordon 1481 01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:12,160 and Paul you know on and I know that 1482 01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:16,390 Paul has done some work looking into the 1483 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:19,270 Bridgeport Triangle area so come back 1484 01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:21,400 next week and we ask your question and 1485 01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:24,670 hopefully we can get a get an answer for 1486 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:27,640 you so let's continue this Hercules 1487 01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:29,950 during the break you were you were 1488 01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,800 saying that you actually have talked to 1489 01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,520 people yourself who have had a 1490 01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:37,920 pterodactyl and pterosaur sightings oh 1491 01:11:44,010 --> 01:11:41,230 yes I'm an explorer of mysteries as a 1492 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:44,020 real and I loved exploring misters 1493 01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:46,300 locally wherever my locally happens to 1494 01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:49,270 be at the time and there were several 1495 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:51,790 times where I yeah and encountered other 1496 01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:53,050 people were pretty much doing the same 1497 01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:56,250 thing we would have conversations and 1498 01:12:03,570 --> 01:11:59,200 pterosaur flying reptile pterodactyl 1499 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:03,580 sightings are not as uncommon as most 1500 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:05,170 people might think which is what 1501 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,810 Jonathan was saying and I remember one 1502 01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:10,000 particularly was on top of a mountain in 1503 01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:13,360 New York and somebody was telling me 1504 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:16,510 that a flying reptile pooped on their 1505 01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:17,290 windshield 1506 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:20,800 yeah and that they gathered this up and 1507 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:22,210 took it to a nearby lab 1508 01:12:30,959 --> 01:12:25,810 but of course as is often the case these 1509 01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:30,969 tales the lab lost it and that I 1510 01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,340 remember very vividly because no one 1511 01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,960 else had reported anything similar to 1512 01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:37,840 that but I agree with Jonathan the 1513 01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:41,860 winged reptiles is much more common I've 1514 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:43,300 heard more stories of winged reptiles 1515 01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:45,850 and a half of mermaid sightings or even 1516 01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:49,420 UFO sightings in some areas I would 1517 01:13:02,640 --> 01:12:54,340 think though that the the feces from a 1518 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:02,650 flying reptile that would be a lot like 1519 01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:06,250 a little like little pigeon poop and he 1520 01:13:11,150 --> 01:13:08,260 was really distraught by this because he 1521 01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:11,160 thought he now had proof positive that 1522 01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:14,830 something like this existed and he was 1523 01:13:22,410 --> 01:13:18,840 really devastated and flung many 1524 01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:22,420 colorful vituperative words to fit the 1525 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:24,760 lab or what he was telling me still well 1526 01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:26,230 know how many times though we heard this 1527 01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:29,140 story though I mean when it comes to say 1528 01:13:35,459 --> 01:13:32,320 interesting photographs or videos of 1529 01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:35,469 whatever UFOs Bigfoot other types of you 1530 01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:38,020 know cryptid creatures you know you you 1531 01:13:43,470 --> 01:13:40,900 you get like fecal samples hair samples 1532 01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:43,480 you know anything interesting and I've 1533 01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:44,670 heard this story time and time again 1534 01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:49,360 where it disappears they lose it you 1535 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:52,239 know something unexpected happens and 1536 01:13:57,780 --> 01:13:54,010 you know you just basically left with 1537 01:14:02,940 --> 01:13:57,790 the shoulders being shrugged and people 1538 01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:02,950 saying yeah sure well yeah exactly I'm 1539 01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:06,100 actually in the process of launching a 1540 01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:09,340 new investigation and it's in the 1541 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:12,000 Greater New York metropolitan area and 1542 01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,190 I'm exploring it through the direction 1543 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:18,880 of neo Theosophical legendary know there 1544 01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:21,550 are winged beings and beings of light 1545 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:23,680 occasionally reported in the Greater New 1546 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:28,810 York metropolitan area and in these neo 1547 01:14:35,819 --> 01:14:33,010 Theosophical tales a remnant of Atlantis 1548 01:14:38,729 --> 01:14:35,829 remains in the etheric plane above 1549 01:14:40,919 --> 01:14:38,739 hatten there's a temple of the earth out 1550 01:14:43,589 --> 01:14:40,929 near Long Island and here in Tenafly 1551 01:14:46,949 --> 01:14:43,599 I've been exploring that for a burden 1552 01:14:51,419 --> 01:14:46,959 County certain anomalies that also seem 1553 01:14:55,379 --> 01:14:51,429 to point to Atlantis so one of the I 1554 01:14:59,509 --> 01:14:55,389 guess goals of this project is to 1555 01:15:02,579 --> 01:14:59,519 contact these beings that people keep 1556 01:15:04,919 --> 01:15:02,589 experiencing so get anywhere else in the 1557 01:15:06,629 --> 01:15:04,929 Greater New York area and wants to 1558 01:15:09,060 --> 01:15:06,639 participate in that I'd love to have 1559 01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:09,070 them alright give me a description of 1560 01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,510 these these beans that people are 1561 01:15:14,849 --> 01:15:11,760 describing 1562 01:15:16,799 --> 01:15:14,859 they've been described as angels they've 1563 01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:16,809 been described as aliens if this 1564 01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:19,089 describe this glowing beings and 1565 01:15:25,349 --> 01:15:21,249 depending on what the person's belief 1566 01:15:26,699 --> 01:15:25,359 system is that's the type of description 1567 01:15:32,339 --> 01:15:26,709 that you get but they seem to be fairly 1568 01:15:35,849 --> 01:15:32,349 common they seem to show concern towards 1569 01:15:38,339 --> 01:15:35,859 individual people and that's why they're 1570 01:15:40,949 --> 01:15:38,349 often described as angels but they seems 1571 01:15:42,509 --> 01:15:40,959 that's something a greater in mind now 1572 01:15:45,810 --> 01:15:42,519 according to the New Atheists optical 1573 01:15:48,810 --> 01:15:45,820 legends the temple that is in the 1574 01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:48,820 etheric over New York City is one of the 1575 01:15:53,579 --> 01:15:51,249 solar hierarchies and it's dedicated to 1576 01:15:57,359 --> 01:15:53,589 the well-being and the evolution of 1577 01:16:00,209 --> 01:15:57,369 humanity so this investigation may prove 1578 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:00,219 to be nothing but that's how I'm 1579 01:16:05,369 --> 01:16:02,050 approaching it because again of my 1580 01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:05,379 mythical perspective and my own 1581 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:08,409 worldview but so far it's been pretty 1582 01:16:13,049 --> 01:16:09,879 exciting the types of stories that 1583 01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:13,059 people have been telling me and they are 1584 01:16:17,969 --> 01:16:16,030 excited locally to be looking into 1585 01:16:21,419 --> 01:16:17,979 Atlantis so I people meeting in the 1586 01:16:24,629 --> 01:16:21,429 library right now once a month where 1587 01:16:25,409 --> 01:16:24,639 we're working on this actively so the 1588 01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:25,419 more the merrier 1589 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:29,199 I don't know about Manhattan but I mean 1590 01:16:35,339 --> 01:16:33,010 I know that Long Island has been house 1591 01:16:37,049 --> 01:16:35,349 for seems like forever as long as 1592 01:16:40,109 --> 01:16:37,059 there's been people there I mean there's 1593 01:16:42,779 --> 01:16:40,119 been all kinds of interesting weird 1594 01:16:45,869 --> 01:16:42,789 activity going 1595 01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:45,879 you know John keel when he was looking 1596 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:47,020 into stuff like 1597 01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:48,850 that especially like around you know 1598 01:16:55,730 --> 01:16:52,420 what 66-67 I mean there's all kinds of 1599 01:16:59,640 --> 01:16:55,740 UFO activity and men and black and 1600 01:17:06,570 --> 01:16:59,650 glowing aliens and around the mystery 1601 01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:06,580 area and so I could see where and I and 1602 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:09,340 I think now that I'm now that I'm 1603 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:11,770 talking about this Hercules you know it 1604 01:17:20,490 --> 01:17:14,050 seems to me that there were people also 1605 01:17:24,930 --> 01:17:20,500 talking about running into glowing beans 1606 01:17:27,420 --> 01:17:24,940 who claim to be associated with Atlantis 1607 01:17:30,330 --> 01:17:27,430 and you know like lost antediluvian in 1608 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:30,340 civilizations Oh also if you have 1609 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:31,990 information and that I would I would 1610 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:36,010 love to read it and digest it and 1611 01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:39,010 included in what we're doing some of the 1612 01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:41,080 people have been framing them according 1613 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:44,110 to the like ascended masters are calling 1614 01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:47,650 them mm-hmm and I've a long background 1615 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:50,260 with that line of inquiry so I asked 1616 01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:52,690 Munich a very well with these people in 1617 01:17:58,670 --> 01:17:55,960 their perspectives and others because of 1618 01:18:02,190 --> 01:17:58,680 their backgrounds are very much into the 1619 01:18:05,310 --> 01:18:02,200 angels or the Saints but what's being 1620 01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:05,320 described is the same thing so if you 1621 01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:08,560 kill a part yeah use Occam's razor to 1622 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:12,780 see what's there it's a bunch of caring 1623 01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:18,490 cosmic or light beings who often again 1624 01:18:24,570 --> 01:18:21,310 have those association with Atlantis or 1625 01:18:26,670 --> 01:18:24,580 antiquity I had a personal experience 1626 01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:26,680 like that here when I was investigating 1627 01:18:32,850 --> 01:18:30,100 things in Templar when I was a kid and I 1628 01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:32,860 didn't know what they were but there was 1629 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:35,350 I was working on a book at the time the 1630 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:36,880 book never came to pass 1631 01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:40,930 but my publisher prentice-hall send me 1632 01:18:45,150 --> 01:18:42,580 there because it sends other people 1633 01:18:47,700 --> 01:18:45,160 there and there was a stone in this 1634 01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:47,710 wooded area that would disorient you 1635 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:50,290 whenever you went near it and that's 1636 01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:52,450 what other people had reported when they 1637 01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:54,430 had gone there so as part of the 1638 01:18:59,370 --> 01:18:56,200 disorientation I entered like a 1639 01:19:00,540 --> 01:18:59,380 hypnagogic state and I saw these people 1640 01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:00,550 dressed 1641 01:19:06,180 --> 01:19:02,440 very strangely and they were burying 1642 01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:06,190 some Scrolls or something and that 1643 01:19:09,780 --> 01:19:08,260 stayed with me because I could never put 1644 01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,790 it into focus but now when I started 1645 01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:11,280 investigating this all of a sudden that 1646 01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:14,950 experience shed some light on my current 1647 01:19:21,330 --> 01:19:18,790 enquiries so I found other people with 1648 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:21,340 very similar types of experiences so I 1649 01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:24,490 again I don't know what this will bring 1650 01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:27,220 forth or where will go but it's an 1651 01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:29,230 exciting adventure to beyond and I thank 1652 01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:33,280 you for sharing that information I will 1653 01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:36,910 I will go through my massive amount of 1654 01:19:44,340 --> 01:19:40,180 files and books and try to locate some 1655 01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:44,350 of that information because my memory my 1656 01:19:50,730 --> 01:19:47,620 memory works but exactly where that 1657 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:50,740 stuff is in my file that'll that'll take 1658 01:19:59,880 --> 01:19:52,930 a little work digging that stuff out 1659 01:20:03,870 --> 01:19:59,890 there oh yes that's right Jonathan I 1660 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:03,880 wanted to ask you now when Hercules was 1661 01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:06,730 talking about this guy you you know who 1662 01:20:18,510 --> 01:20:12,880 had the the pterodactyl dump on his car 1663 01:20:20,730 --> 01:20:18,520 have you read acrost reports of people 1664 01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:20,740 getting you know some kind of samples 1665 01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:23,470 similar to that skit or or skin samples 1666 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:26,020 or or whatever some kind of physical 1667 01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:29,890 evidence yes I I almost had something 1668 01:20:35,540 --> 01:20:32,260 like that myself but it turned out to be 1669 01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:35,550 a possum poop unfortunately but it was 1670 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:37,690 it was a good try you know it's worth 1671 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:39,250 worth an effort it was in Lakewood 1672 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:42,250 California the sighting was right 1673 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:45,850 deciding itself of this dragon turd 1674 01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:48,130 apples for the lady called it was just 1675 01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:49,600 right over her head Friday I'm 1676 01:20:55,050 --> 01:20:52,450 approached on it for mining and it flew 1677 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:55,060 off and it's right next to a storm 1678 01:20:59,640 --> 01:20:56,890 channel which is very significant in the 1679 01:21:01,580 --> 01:20:59,650 Los Angeles area Southern California and 1680 01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:01,590 for these sightings take place often 1681 01:21:07,380 --> 01:21:05,440 close to or over a storm channel of the 1682 01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:07,390 Los Angeles River this particular one 1683 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:10,540 there was some feces on the ground that 1684 01:21:13,609 --> 01:21:11,130 was 1685 01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:13,619 not exactly underneath for the animal 1686 01:21:18,379 --> 01:21:16,289 purse but is close enough that I decided 1687 01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:18,389 to take it in and have it analyzed by a 1688 01:21:23,029 --> 01:21:20,190 veterinarian and it turned out probably 1689 01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:23,039 it was possible and somebody had seen a 1690 01:21:28,879 --> 01:21:26,880 pilot an autocross mr. raccoon actually 1691 01:21:30,919 --> 01:21:28,889 is a rat too and I think and somebody 1692 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:30,929 has seen a raccoon in the area if I 1693 01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:36,090 recall now we had we had talked a little 1694 01:21:47,859 --> 01:21:40,710 bit earlier about these things glowing 1695 01:21:51,140 --> 01:21:47,869 in the dark and I my assumption from 1696 01:21:55,390 --> 01:21:51,150 reading your articles and and and books 1697 01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:55,400 is that these things are probably 1698 01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:00,239 nocturnal yes no statistically if you 1699 01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:01,710 want me to go through is - yes please 1700 01:22:07,250 --> 01:22:03,630 yes please please go ahead okay give you 1701 01:22:11,620 --> 01:22:07,260 an example on the 128 sightings in the 1702 01:22:14,419 --> 01:22:11,630 compilation of early 2013 that year that 1703 01:22:16,459 --> 01:22:14,429 those who say positively there was a day 1704 01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:16,469 time in other words just not in Twilight 1705 01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:18,510 it was definitely a daytime sighting 1706 01:22:24,529 --> 01:22:21,840 that was 38% those who are positive 1707 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:24,539 about a nighttime sighting not Twilight 1708 01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:27,449 that might actually in nighttime was 23% 1709 01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:30,239 which seems like well it's about 23 is a 1710 01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:33,480 lot less than 38 but if you notice that 1711 01:22:39,859 --> 01:22:37,440 23% is human observers and people don't 1712 01:22:41,450 --> 01:22:39,869 see well in the dark really and if we 1713 01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:41,460 and somebody if somebody in Los Angeles 1714 01:22:46,879 --> 01:22:45,300 you know sees a a dragon flying over the 1715 01:22:49,939 --> 01:22:46,889 Los Angeles River at nighttime who's 1716 01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:49,949 going to believe them it's just it's a 1717 01:22:55,810 --> 01:22:53,460 difficult situation but the 23% is 1718 01:22:58,700 --> 01:22:55,820 extremely significant when we consider 1719 01:23:00,740 --> 01:22:58,710 that people really can't see hardly at 1720 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:00,750 all at night could be a very poor night 1721 01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:04,010 vision we're not anything like Howells 1722 01:23:11,979 --> 01:23:06,360 well and it makes me it makes me think 1723 01:23:17,210 --> 01:23:11,989 also if at least one group of these 1724 01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:17,220 animals do exhibit by illuminance 1725 01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,780 whether or not some of these what people 1726 01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,480 report is as UFO sightings but really 1727 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:25,920 they're directly more than glowing and 1728 01:23:34,030 --> 01:23:29,670 glowing orbs at night that you know 1729 01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:34,040 hover around trees or fly at a fairly 1730 01:23:41,930 --> 01:23:37,980 low level if possibly they may not be 1731 01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:41,940 seen something living rather than a 1732 01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:45,780 mechanical craft of some kind only that 1733 01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:49,410 that they might be seen something living 1734 01:23:57,380 --> 01:23:53,250 because often the glowing orbs or the 1735 01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:57,390 discs behave in ways that seem to 1736 01:24:00,820 --> 01:23:58,560 indicate that you're dealing with a 1737 01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:00,830 living creature rather than a vehicle 1738 01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:02,460 yeah it's true 1739 01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:06,840 yeah and and I believe also that they 1740 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:10,350 they might not be totally solid as we 1741 01:24:13,850 --> 01:24:11,690 understand the term 1742 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:13,860 because they're often accompanied by 1743 01:24:19,940 --> 01:24:16,410 psychological effects and they can 1744 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:19,950 appear and disappear rather quickly and 1745 01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,850 they can communicate through their 1746 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:26,400 inhabitants and the inhabitants are 1747 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:28,890 pretty standard and seem to correspond 1748 01:24:35,180 --> 01:24:32,250 to parts of our brain as well like have 1749 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:35,190 the reptilians you have the fetal type 1750 01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:38,489 of aliens you have the human looking 1751 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:43,260 type of aliens and the experiences that 1752 01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:46,530 take place with the inhabitants don't 1753 01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:48,450 seem to take place in waking 1754 01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:51,420 consciousness totally they have features 1755 01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:55,110 that indicate other states mm-hmm so I 1756 01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:01,080 believe personally that whatever it is 1757 01:25:07,940 --> 01:25:04,860 that is happening it's not a dream it's 1758 01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:07,950 not a hallucination it's an altered 1759 01:25:15,380 --> 01:25:10,739 state experiences we commonly understand 1760 01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:15,390 the term but it happens in portions of 1761 01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:16,920 our brain 1762 01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:21,090 that translate into very solid 1763 01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:24,719 experiences and the only time I told 1764 01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:26,489 with my brain all the time it done so so 1765 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:28,620 you kid the only hundred count the 1766 01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:31,290 things that vivid is in the hypnagogic 1767 01:25:37,340 --> 01:25:34,710 and hypnopompic which seem more real 1768 01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:37,350 than the reality or what we call reality 1769 01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:42,230 and waking consciousness mm-hmm so I 1770 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:46,110 don't I I can also say I don't know what 1771 01:25:49,820 --> 01:25:48,330 it is that I've been experiencing but 1772 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:49,830 the fact I've been experiencing 1773 01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:52,050 something that sometimes it appears in a 1774 01:25:57,740 --> 01:25:55,500 variety of forms that's something I 1775 01:26:00,080 --> 01:25:57,750 become more more convinced of as I move 1776 01:26:02,150 --> 01:26:00,090 through life but it's very it's very 1777 01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,160 tricky it's very slippery and I found 1778 01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:05,360 that it can it will appear in ways that 1779 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:07,670 appeal to you 1780 01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:11,370 so to Jonathan it might be pterodactyls 1781 01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:13,890 and and that Tara doc will communicate 1782 01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:17,460 something and because they shift reality 1783 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:20,510 from our physical beta brainwave 1784 01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:25,250 perceptions to other brainwave patterns 1785 01:26:30,729 --> 01:26:28,590 they sometimes show these non-solid type 1786 01:26:37,010 --> 01:26:30,739 of characteristics or these paranormal 1787 01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:37,020 characteristics but they always make us 1788 01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:39,510 question the reality we find ourselves 1789 01:26:44,180 --> 01:26:41,340 in the cultural programming we find 1790 01:26:46,580 --> 01:26:44,190 ourselves in and they did to me they 1791 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:46,590 seem to call to break through that 1792 01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:49,890 conditioning and maybe she reality in a 1793 01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:53,150 in a grander way mm-hmm 1794 01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:56,310 this is a this is outside of what I 1795 01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,820 usually study um what I get involved 1796 01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:01,679 with is just deciding of course that 1797 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:03,510 look like there are no animals like for 1798 01:27:08,620 --> 01:27:05,370 example when you have two or more eye 1799 01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:08,630 witnesses which is about half the cases 1800 01:27:13,939 --> 01:27:11,580 you have two bases and they describe the 1801 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:13,949 same thing it's not likely from some 1802 01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:15,810 type of thing in the brain is something 1803 01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:17,760 that's probably they did they both saw 1804 01:27:21,140 --> 01:27:19,320 the same kind of animal because they 1805 01:27:23,260 --> 01:27:21,150 described it the same way and they saw 1806 01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:23,270 it at the same time in the same place so 1807 01:27:29,150 --> 01:27:26,610 what I what I specialize is it is the 1808 01:27:29,919 --> 01:27:29,160 sighting suit that indicators kind of 1809 01:27:33,219 --> 01:27:29,929 point 1810 01:27:36,250 --> 01:27:33,229 the the object being a real living 1811 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:36,260 animal and that's that is a very 1812 01:27:41,709 --> 01:27:39,050 important perspective and I never rule 1813 01:27:43,659 --> 01:27:41,719 anything out but what I was thinking 1814 01:27:44,919 --> 01:27:43,669 when you were saying that was Fatima the 1815 01:27:48,339 --> 01:27:44,929 miracle is Fatima 1816 01:27:51,729 --> 01:27:48,349 yes why lots of people were there and 1817 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:51,739 some people experienced something while 1818 01:27:55,569 --> 01:27:53,510 others were standing right up and did 1819 01:27:57,159 --> 01:27:55,579 not and many of the people who were 1820 01:28:00,339 --> 01:27:57,169 experiencing things even though they 1821 01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,349 weren't physically connected with each 1822 01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:01,760 other or communicating with each other 1823 01:28:09,219 --> 01:28:05,630 experienced the same thing so again I 1824 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:09,229 don't have any answers but but the fact 1825 01:28:12,909 --> 01:28:10,489 that something like that could happen 1826 01:28:14,589 --> 01:28:12,919 and it would have hundreds if not 1827 01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:14,599 thousands of people agreeing that they 1828 01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:16,729 saw the same thing were other people 1829 01:28:24,909 --> 01:28:19,369 standing right next to them also great 1830 01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:24,919 numbers saw nothing what I start 1831 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:27,169 thinking of this maybe our explanations 1832 01:28:30,219 --> 01:28:28,489 are inadequate and maybe your 1833 01:28:31,629 --> 01:28:30,229 understanding of realities and 1834 01:28:33,549 --> 01:28:31,639 inadequate so I don't doubt the 1835 01:28:36,459 --> 01:28:33,559 pterodactyls have physical existence 1836 01:28:39,009 --> 01:28:36,469 I've I've spoken to many people and they 1837 01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,019 came across as not trying to 1838 01:28:44,529 --> 01:28:41,360 sensationalize what they had experienced 1839 01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:44,539 what to share of something real and 1840 01:28:49,929 --> 01:28:47,090 their conviction and all the legends 1841 01:28:56,350 --> 01:28:49,939 that you pointed out I'm just again just 1842 01:28:58,179 --> 01:28:56,360 throwing it out there that maybe these 1843 01:29:00,939 --> 01:28:58,189 are invitations to break through our 1844 01:29:04,169 --> 01:29:00,949 patterns and find a reality where they 1845 01:29:06,129 --> 01:29:04,179 can exist rather than trying to 1846 01:29:11,699 --> 01:29:06,139 understand them in terms of what we 1847 01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:11,709 currently consider real well I know that 1848 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:15,110 some cases where people have talked to 1849 01:29:22,179 --> 01:29:18,650 me about sightings along these veins you 1850 01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:22,189 know when it either you know flying 1851 01:29:28,569 --> 01:29:25,329 flying unusual flying creatures or 1852 01:29:32,879 --> 01:29:28,579 cryptid creature such as Bigfoot 1853 01:29:38,109 --> 01:29:32,889 a lot of times they will say to me that 1854 01:29:40,050 --> 01:29:38,119 before the sighting occurred they had an 1855 01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:40,060 unusual feeling and 1856 01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,820 I hear that so many times people will 1857 01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:45,280 say that all of a sudden say like the 1858 01:29:50,370 --> 01:29:47,410 hair in the back of my neck stood up or 1859 01:29:53,700 --> 01:29:50,380 I had the feeling I was being watched or 1860 01:29:56,660 --> 01:29:53,710 I just something did not feel right and 1861 01:29:59,460 --> 01:29:56,670 they'll turn around or look up and 1862 01:30:03,450 --> 01:29:59,470 whatever it is will then fly by or walk 1863 01:30:05,070 --> 01:30:03,460 by or whatever so you know what about 1864 01:30:08,010 --> 01:30:05,080 you Jonathan I mean I have people 1865 01:30:11,550 --> 01:30:08,020 reported something like that to you with 1866 01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:11,560 the cases that you studied well it's 1867 01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:13,660 definitely not common I've heard of that 1868 01:30:19,170 --> 01:30:16,480 same situation but it seems to be from 1869 01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:19,180 my limited experience more common with 1870 01:30:24,540 --> 01:30:21,940 the Bigfoot sightings with the sightings 1871 01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:24,550 of pterosaurs it's very rare for someone 1872 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:27,250 to mention anything that like been that 1873 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:30,040 nature of the premonition or a feeling 1874 01:30:34,410 --> 01:30:32,890 like something's around it's usually 1875 01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:34,420 just a shock that something flies 1876 01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:36,430 overhead and they realize it's not a 1877 01:30:41,460 --> 01:30:39,280 bird you know this but I understand that 1878 01:30:44,180 --> 01:30:41,470 there are some types of encounters with 1879 01:30:46,710 --> 01:30:44,190 other things that where there is a 1880 01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:46,720 something spiritual involved where some 1881 01:30:53,090 --> 01:30:50,320 people have some kind of a extra sense 1882 01:30:56,490 --> 01:30:53,100 about the situation it just doesn't have 1883 01:30:59,520 --> 01:30:56,500 pterosaur sightings do you do you get a 1884 01:31:04,130 --> 01:30:59,530 lot of times Jonathan I would think that 1885 01:31:06,390 --> 01:31:04,140 most people would be reluctant to really 1886 01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:06,400 report or talk about a sighting like 1887 01:31:09,930 --> 01:31:08,590 that I mean you know it's it's really 1888 01:31:12,750 --> 01:31:09,940 anymore it's one thing you know to 1889 01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:12,760 report a UFO sighting but to see 1890 01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:15,910 something like that I think most people 1891 01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:17,760 would like I would just forget about it 1892 01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:20,830 yes in fact that's extremely common that 1893 01:31:26,010 --> 01:31:23,560 I would say there's at least a thousand 1894 01:31:28,530 --> 01:31:26,020 people who who don't report anything to 1895 01:31:30,630 --> 01:31:28,540 me or my associates a thousand times 1896 01:31:33,870 --> 01:31:30,640 more than the reports you get I mean if 1897 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:33,880 I get report from a one report from a 1898 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:35,890 state I haven't yet gotten one from 1899 01:31:40,890 --> 01:31:37,810 Colorado but just as an example let's 1900 01:31:44,450 --> 01:31:40,900 say if if next week somebody in Colorado 1901 01:31:47,970 --> 01:31:44,460 said sends me a sighting report I'm 1902 01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:47,980 pretty certain that and of all the 1903 01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:50,440 people that have ever visited Colorado 1904 01:31:53,489 --> 01:31:52,750 in the last few decades there's over a 1905 01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:53,499 thousand 1906 01:31:58,739 --> 01:31:56,050 of sightings and there was if you have 1907 01:32:01,169 --> 01:31:58,749 to signing reports in one state there's 1908 01:32:04,259 --> 01:32:01,179 over 2,000 sightings there it's just 1909 01:32:06,509 --> 01:32:04,269 that people don't want to think about it 1910 01:32:08,459 --> 01:32:06,519 they're generally Americans and other 1911 01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:08,469 Westerners they want to forget about it 1912 01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:11,110 say oh no it can't be what I thought it 1913 01:32:16,169 --> 01:32:14,710 was and I can I get this from people who 1914 01:32:18,089 --> 01:32:16,179 report to me that they they've heard 1915 01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:18,099 somebody else that had a similar 1916 01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:19,800 sighting 1917 01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:23,710 excuse me and so they they tell me this 1918 01:32:27,209 --> 01:32:25,210 is very common now I get a lot of these 1919 01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:27,219 say they know somebody else's had a 1920 01:32:31,979 --> 01:32:30,489 sighting and you know Hercules has a 1921 01:32:33,839 --> 01:32:31,989 number of people he knows that has this 1922 01:32:35,489 --> 01:32:33,849 kind of sighting but that indicates that 1923 01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:35,499 there's a lot of people that just don't 1924 01:32:39,089 --> 01:32:37,090 report it 1925 01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:39,099 all right well gentlemen we only have 1926 01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:40,630 about three minutes left in the program 1927 01:32:47,969 --> 01:32:44,409 so I want to give you both the chance to 1928 01:32:49,620 --> 01:32:47,979 let our audience know where they can 1929 01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:49,630 find out more about you you books 1930 01:32:53,660 --> 01:32:52,719 websites things like that so Jonathan go 1931 01:32:56,459 --> 01:32:53,670 right ahead 1932 01:32:58,469 --> 01:32:56,469 yeah pterosaur is difficult to spell 1933 01:33:01,890 --> 01:32:58,479 flying dinosaur with my last name 1934 01:33:04,529 --> 01:33:01,900 Whitcomb whi TCO MBE oh you'll get me on 1935 01:33:07,229 --> 01:33:04,539 Google I have over a thousand web pages 1936 01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:07,239 of blog posts on these incredible flying 1937 01:33:12,839 --> 01:33:10,329 creatures but generally pterosaur is 1938 01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:12,849 hard to spell Pterodactylus also the PT 1939 01:33:18,330 --> 01:33:16,210 and all the silent P but you know just 1940 01:33:21,390 --> 01:33:18,340 look up flying dinosaur or pterodactyl 1941 01:33:25,169 --> 01:33:21,400 if you can spell it and and my name quit 1942 01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:25,179 come and the your books can they be 1943 01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:28,030 found on Amazon places like that Amazon 1944 01:33:33,299 --> 01:33:30,639 and other major booksellers yeah and now 1945 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:33,309 you can get it for my name yeah alright 1946 01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:36,010 fantastic and any upcoming appearances 1947 01:33:41,129 --> 01:33:38,699 that you were with everyone know about 1948 01:33:43,890 --> 01:33:41,139 all I'm just getting gathering some more 1949 01:33:46,020 --> 01:33:43,900 statistics there we'll have some more 1950 01:33:48,270 --> 01:33:46,030 sightings and so I'm gonna be getting 1951 01:33:51,629 --> 01:33:48,280 some more statistics out all right great 1952 01:33:55,290 --> 01:33:51,639 and Hercules what about you the best way 1953 01:33:57,509 --> 01:33:55,300 to reach me is actually on Facebook and 1954 01:34:03,089 --> 01:33:57,519 it's easiest I post something there 1955 01:34:07,290 --> 01:34:03,099 every day Hercules Invictus I and Vict 1956 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:07,300 us right now I'm very focused 1957 01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:11,950 the Atlantean adventure and the wind or 1958 01:34:16,610 --> 01:34:15,220 glowing beams over New York and how it 1959 01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:16,620 ties in with the other local 1960 01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:19,240 investigations and again people are 1961 01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:21,670 welcome to join they can contact me on 1962 01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:24,340 Facebook or on my website which is 1963 01:34:29,850 --> 01:34:27,970 Hercules Invictus dotnet all right 1964 01:34:31,860 --> 01:34:29,860 German well we have to go so thanks 1965 01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:31,870 everyone for listening and good night 1966 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:39,790 from exploring bizarre you've been 1967 01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:42,970 listening to exploring the bizarre with 1968 01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:46,260 hosts Timothy Beckley and T Swartz 1969 01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,120 they're taking back the night by jetting 1970 01:34:54,030 --> 01:34:52,000 non-stop across the cosmos in search of 1971 01:34:57,899 --> 01:34:54,040 the truly bizarre and totally 1972 01:35:00,410 --> 01:34:57,909 unexplained with you as their combines 1973 01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:00,420 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1974 01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:02,800 10:00 p.m. 1975 01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:06,940 on the K cor digital radiator for more 1976 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